[jamesbdunn]

Quote by: ItsDarts OK, I understand. You are assuming there is a god and you are assuming he wrote 10 rules, 4 or 5 of which pertain to him and 4 or 5 that pertain to how we should live with each other, yet the only evidence we have of them is written in a book, not in stone. You make these assumptions based on words in a book that you say we shouldn't trust. How do you live with this kind of logic?

If there is a God and it understands the relationships throughout time, then God would only need to speak once to be heard for all time.

As for history books making loose reference to events that may or may not have happened, welcome to the real world. Most of history is neither recorded nor observable, and the few instances that are recorded are inadequately described with any detail.

A person must use the information that is presented to their best benefit. Removing as much contradiction as possible brings me to this conclusion. The stone tablets have a basis for existing and the rules quoted are consistent with rules that could survive a millenium without any required changes.

But again, you are basing this belief what was written in a book. You don't have the stone tablets. You are also interpreting the commandments in a way that ISN"T supported by them. The 10C's do NOT state to not allow other people to get you to do things contrary to them. You are being hypocritical when you interpret because you said earlier that man shouldn't interpret. See what I mean? This is being hypocritical.

I made these blatant statements to express my opinion and instigate a response. I am guilty of exactly what you say. So I will preface my statements henceforth that these are my opinions.

You are correct, the 10C's don't specifically say what the consequences are for not following them. How ever the very same book you base your belief in DOES say what the consequences are. How do you reconcile belief in the commandments based on the book and ignore the rest of the book?

Many books reference the Ten Commandments. Like many history books reference a particular event and then go on to express their opinions about how to interpret the event.

That many books reference the Ten Commandments gives it statistical significance since the books themselves are contradictory with one another.

You DO realize that these "rules" were around long before the 10C's were written, right? You also realize that these rules can and should be broken under certain circumstances, right?

In my opinion, I do not believe that there are exceptions.

If my parents were sexually abusive, should I still honor them and not turn them in??? What prevents you from molesting kids?

These are social issues that change depending upon society. There are families in the world that are incestually sexually active and it is locally accepted. The roman times also present such acceptance. In our current society it is unacceptable.

But let's take this to an extreme. A serial killer kidnaps children and the children are raped and mutilated. You have never known your real father as you were adopted. You find out that this Serial Killer is your biological Father. Can you still do what is socially right and still be reverent to your Father? Of course you can. You may not, I wouldn't imagine I could understand the complex feelings a person would feel in this situation. But yes, they could still have respectful feelings toward their father.

That wasn't one of the 10 rules. Wouldn't you agree that you don't do a lot of things because you have a conscience that prevents you from doing them? Don't you find it odd that this god doesn't want you coveting your neighbors possessions, yet doesn't say a damn thing about molesting children?

What rules do you think could be set down today, that would still be relavent ten thousand years from now and all time in between? Even with technological advances where cloning, accelerated physical development, extraordinarily long lifetimes, cybernetics, and a host of other technologies will significantly change our social behaviours. And make those rules so that we can understand them today, without knowing anything about what is going to be developed a thousand years from now.

I suppose the rules would have to contain the seeds necessary to grow a system of beliefs that would allow people to coexist socially and prepare themselves for greater things to come.

What information is available to you? The book you say we shouldn't trust? You've repeated this rant in 3 or 4 different threads now, is this your only argument for all things religious? If so it's failing miserably. You're copying and pasting this same rant with few minor changes to fit the thread you;re in, of course you know what you are repeating. The 10C's do NOT say that no one should not speak for god, this is your own poor interpretation. Stop being hypocritical.

Multiple threads, not all, are strongly related to my suppositions. I'm lazy, I really don't feel like retyping the basis of my viewpoint so many times. But it has allowed me the interaction I was looking for.

I learn through multiple situations. Debate is one of them.