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prettyredhead · May 5, 2004, 04:25 pm

[ In some cases abortion is used as birth control. In many others, women know better but still have sex without any thought of the consequences. Why didn't she use birth conrtol or be sure her partner at least used a condom? To equate homeless kids with lack of abortion is ridiculous.
*** No, it is not far fetched. It is more like right on.

As far as I'm concerned, throw away children are a result of a dysfunctional woman and a society that caters to that dysfunction, much as you are doing by blaming any of this on the lack of abortions.

*** Your right on there. SOCIETY caters to adoptive couples, who only want a baby and no way, no how should they consider a already born kid. IF they could buy a perfect baby at Wal Mart they would. We should cater to the homeless kids. THere should be no such thing as a "throw away kid" when soooooo many are begging to buy a new baby. I say, too bad. I do not recommend that women put their baby up for adoption. I tell them to either abort, or keep their baby. They will regret the adoption all their lives. You can easily live with an abortion. It is like a death, you grieve and then move on..

There is a logical but unacceptable solution for most people to unwanted children and that is orphanages. Newt Gingrich suggested it back about 1995 and was thoroughly denounced for it. It surely would be a better alternative than living on the streets.
*** If I had any power, adoption guidelines would be overhauled, and homes for all these kids in foster care would be built for them to live in until they are 18. These homes would have schools, shops, everything a community has, but in one place, like a campus. This is the only reasonable solution you have spewed. Perhaps this would be better than foster care, and it would create jobs in some areas. Good plan, a good start at least, while they endlessly wait to be "picked" for adoption.

[/quote] They need more than scared and I doubt the pictures do much to scare them anyhow. The problem is the lack family values and the disrespect for marriage that has become part of our culture since the 60s. The feminists decided women are better than men and that women don't need men, except for sex and sometimes the resultant baby. So women now use men at their whim. Not all women but surely a goodly portion of them and many more as time goes by and this dreadful attitude is becoming prevasive in our society
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***Yes, see above. I agree that alot of women lack maternal instincts altogether. Adoptive mothers should not have a career, it should be a negative when adopting. If they want to be parents, one needs to be home to actually parent. Society has nothing to do with the lack of parenting. Parents who abuse should be jailed and not let out. For a good, long time. Taking their kids is a favor to them, not a punishment. IF they remove the kids, then remove the parents from society. Punish the parents if you punish the kids by making them homeless. We have a value on children. But I see, that is fading as well. If that is the case, we should be bombed to oblivion and start over.

[/quote] Because most people who can't have babies of their own, want the experience of nurturing and raising a child from babyhood to adulthood. They want to enjoy all the stages of growth that goes with a child's progress. They want the memories of those sleepless nights and going through shots, the first tooth, the first day at kindergarten.... the whole thing.

***Too bad that they WANT a baby.I WANT a million dollars. Nature made it so that they could not, perhaps it HAD a better thing in mind, shame on them for not taking on a little challenge. Now they can rot waiting for the ever elusive baby. They want abortion illegal, so they can have the "pick of the litter" so to speak. It has nothing to do with their ethical point of view. It is PURE GREED. They WANT a baby, they DONT WANT to really parent. Three years old is not too much older than a baby. And to me, a 6 year old is still very much a baby.

I don't blame them for not printing it. But maybe they will. Lots of people talk about this all the time. You apparently aren't involved in this except for your particpation in abortion rights. Your whole premise seems aimed at proving abortion is the only solution to unwanted children.

*** It is isnt it? Your solution is to make people feel bad, who simply do not want their children. It is better NOT to be born, if you are not wanted. Right? Ever heard someone say that they wished they were never born? Mothers say this to their unwanted kids alot. It is sick , isnt it? Why make her have a baby she hates? It isnt your body. It never will be. DOnt assume all people give a damn about birth control, it is not fool-proof. Nothing is,, except abortion. And it has a pretty high rate of infertility. WHich should make you glad.....Family is no longer important. I think we should start fresh. Maybe the bombing needs to happen now.

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Are you adopted or related to someone who is or to somemone who has adopted a child? How do you know so well that all these people who adopt are after pretending to do good or are showing off? There are people who adopt babies of mixed racial background or those with physical and mental problems. Yes even before they'll adopt a flawed older child. Maybe with the proper love and care, a flawed baby will grow into a great adult. Many of the older throwaways are going to have problems all their lives. It takes a very special person to get involved in that. Unfortunately in our society, there are not a lot of very special persons available.

*** I agree, you are one of them to be dictating my body, yet not offering a viable solution to the already born kids. WE OWE THEM something. They are citizens who deserve the best start, regardless of how they came about. They were here first, they should be placed first above unborn fetuses. Because we foster unfit adults, we all clean house from it.

Yes abortion would rid us of some unwanted children. But not as many as you think. Many women will go ahead and have the baby because of their religion or other reasons and never be good mothers. Not every woman is capable or willing to be a good mother. Then there are mothers who start off ok but due to many reasons, cannot cope with her child or children. Or maybe she is on drugs or is an alcoholic. Or becomes sick.
****Thus leaving their kids to foster hell. And then what? Should have had an abortion then.

I have not talked about the role of men and fathers in this. They can be instrumental in either making things better of worse but the decision to have a baby is totally the woman's. And since abortion is something only a woman can have, it's her responsibility to conduct herself so abortion is not a necessity.[/quote]
****This is a laughable paragraph. Men dont care as much as they care about her invading his wallet later on. They (most) would rather she have an abortion. That is the second thing they usually say when she says "Im pregnant" not, oh honey how wonderful. Most unmarried couples do not aspire to have a baby. Once they are born, they are here to stay. Prevention has not worked very well, has it/ To the tune of a million foster kids, and a million abortions yearly. Every year, more and more couples are losing their kids due to lack of money, loss of job, of benefits, ect. If she cannot afford her kids later in life, where do they end up? I agree that people should be respon. but it isnt working. It hasnt worked since B.C. People want the easy way out, it is our nature. We are a nation of convience.

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prettyredhead Igneous Magma Posts: 336	[ In some cases abortion is used as birth control. In many others, women know better but still have sex without any thought of the consequences. Why didn't she use birth conrtol or be sure her partner at least used a condom? To equate homeless kids with lack of abortion is ridiculous. * No, it is not far fetched. It is more like right on. As far as I'm concerned, throw away children are a result of a dysfunctional woman and a society that caters to that dysfunction, much as you are doing by blaming any of this on the lack of abortions. * Your right on there. SOCIETY caters to adoptive couples, who only want a baby and no way, no how should they consider a already born kid. IF they could buy a perfect baby at Wal Mart they would. We should cater to the homeless kids. THere should be no such thing as a "throw away kid" when soooooo many are begging to buy a new baby. I say, too bad. I do not recommend that women put their baby up for adoption. I tell them to either abort, or keep their baby. They will regret the adoption all their lives. You can easily live with an abortion. It is like a death, you grieve and then move on.. There is a logical but unacceptable solution for most people to unwanted children and that is orphanages. Newt Gingrich suggested it back about 1995 and was thoroughly denounced for it. It surely would be a better alternative than living on the streets. * If I had any power, adoption guidelines would be overhauled, and homes for all these kids in foster care would be built for them to live in until they are 18. These homes would have schools, shops, everything a community has, but in one place, like a campus. This is the only reasonable solution you have spewed. Perhaps this would be better than foster care, and it would create jobs in some areas. Good plan, a good start at least, while they endlessly wait to be "picked" for adoption. [/quote] They need more than scared and I doubt the pictures do much to scare them anyhow. The problem is the lack family values and the disrespect for marriage that has become part of our culture since the 60s. The feminists decided women are better than men and that women don't need men, except for sex and sometimes the resultant baby. So women now use men at their whim. Not all women but surely a goodly portion of them and many more as time goes by and this dreadful attitude is becoming prevasive in our society . Yes, see above. I agree that alot of women lack maternal instincts altogether. Adoptive mothers should not have a career, it should be a negative when adopting. If they want to be parents, one needs to be home to actually parent. Society has nothing to do with the lack of parenting. Parents who abuse should be jailed and not let out. For a good, long time. Taking their kids is a favor to them, not a punishment. IF they remove the kids, then remove the parents from society. Punish the parents if you punish the kids by making them homeless. We have a value on children. But I see, that is fading as well. If that is the case, we should be bombed to oblivion and start over. [/quote] Because most people who can't have babies of their own, want the experience of nurturing and raising a child from babyhood to adulthood. They want to enjoy all the stages of growth that goes with a child's progress. They want the memories of those sleepless nights and going through shots, the first tooth, the first day at kindergarten.... the whole thing. Too bad that they WANT a baby.I WANT a million dollars. Nature made it so that they could not, perhaps it HAD a better thing in mind, shame on them for not taking on a little challenge. Now they can rot waiting for the ever elusive baby. They want abortion illegal, so they can have the "pick of the litter" so to speak. It has nothing to do with their ethical point of view. It is PURE GREED. They WANT a baby, they DONT WANT to really parent. Three years old is not too much older than a baby. And to me, a 6 year old is still very much a baby. I don't blame them for not printing it. But maybe they will. Lots of people talk about this all the time. You apparently aren't involved in this except for your particpation in abortion rights. Your whole premise seems aimed at proving abortion is the only solution to unwanted children. * It is isnt it? Your solution is to make people feel bad, who simply do not want their children. It is better NOT to be born, if you are not wanted. Right? Ever heard someone say that they wished they were never born? Mothers say this to their unwanted kids alot. It is sick , isnt it? Why make her have a baby she hates? It isnt your body. It never will be. DOnt assume all people give a damn about birth control, it is not fool-proof. Nothing is,, except abortion. And it has a pretty high rate of infertility. WHich should make you glad.....Family is no longer important. I think we should start fresh. Maybe the bombing needs to happen now. ] Are you adopted or related to someone who is or to somemone who has adopted a child? How do you know so well that all these people who adopt are after pretending to do good or are showing off? There are people who adopt babies of mixed racial background or those with physical and mental problems. Yes even before they'll adopt a flawed older child. Maybe with the proper love and care, a flawed baby will grow into a great adult. Many of the older throwaways are going to have problems all their lives. It takes a very special person to get involved in that. Unfortunately in our society, there are not a lot of very special persons available. * I agree, you are one of them to be dictating my body, yet not offering a viable solution to the already born kids. WE OWE THEM something. They are citizens who deserve the best start, regardless of how they came about. They were here first, they should be placed first above unborn fetuses. Because we foster unfit adults, we all clean house from it. Yes abortion would rid us of some unwanted children. But not as many as you think. Many women will go ahead and have the baby because of their religion or other reasons and never be good mothers. Not every woman is capable or willing to be a good mother. Then there are mothers who start off ok but due to many reasons, cannot cope with her child or children. Or maybe she is on drugs or is an alcoholic. Or becomes sick. Thus leaving their kids to foster hell. And then what? Should have had an abortion then. I have not talked about the role of men and fathers in this. They can be instrumental in either making things better of worse but the decision to have a baby is totally the woman's. And since abortion is something only a woman can have, it's her responsibility to conduct herself so abortion is not a necessity.[/quote] **This is a laughable paragraph. Men dont care as much as they care about her invading his wallet later on. They (most) would rather she have an abortion. That is the second thing they usually say when she says "Im pregnant" not, oh honey how wonderful. Most unmarried couples do not aspire to have a baby. Once they are born, they are here to stay. Prevention has not worked very well, has it/ To the tune of a million foster kids, and a million abortions yearly. Every year, more and more couples are losing their kids due to lack of money, loss of job, of benefits, ect. If she cannot afford her kids later in life, where do they end up? I agree that people should be respon. but it isnt working. It hasnt worked since B.C. People want the easy way out, it is our nature. We are a nation of convience.