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Quote by: ise Could you please explain this unless it is some cheap jibe that is not worthy of comment. Did we not agree to debate? Could you list the posts that you found irrelevant. Maybe I could explain them better to you. OK? and I will try too.

Seriously, do you have a memory or a self denial problem ?

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Those are just some, protest on those irrelevant comments:

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Good job evading my argument by posting a lot of known to the Israeli public articles from everyday newspapers ! WebJedi is right, you've gone way off topic in this discussion, so this is the last time I reply to you here... Hey, why won't you start a new thread about Zionist-Russian conspiracies to take over the world, I'll be happy to make you understand that it is all just in your overcreative head...

And then you replied, more or less, but I'm sure you'll find a way to deny it somehow.

Quote by: ise "Hezbollah terrorists from Israeli prisons" This is an extraordinary inappropriate statement in a reasoning debate. Just a few questions as this could be a thread of its own. How many? For how long? How many were ever in Hezbollah? What charges. What trial? What sentence? How long since the terrorist act? Just for a start. I presume you have all this information that allows you to make such a bold statement. It cannot be without any backup, surely.

There you go:

Hezbollah militants kidnap two Israeli soldiers patrolling along the northern Israel border. Three soldiers are killed in the incident, and five soldiers are killed in subsequent confrontations inside Lebanon. Hezbollah demands the release of thousands of Palestinian prisoners and one Lebanese prisoner, the killer of two small girls and their father.

Hezbollah captures Israeli soldiers -

Hezbollah announced the capture of the Israeli troops on its television channel, al-Manar, saying that they want to exchange them with all Arab prisoners in Israeli prisons.

And some more.

Not only does that Bastard demands the release of thousands of terrorists that are not even related to his organization, but also to free a convicted child killer, as far as "sick" goes.

Quote by: ise "How did the IDF know it would not kill its own kidnapped soldiers while it was killing the 1,000s of civilians if Hezbollah deliberately or inadvertently used them as HUMAN SHIELDS?" Was the chance of killing their own kidnapped soldiers not high? Could it be they hoped/intended killing their own soldiers. You failed to answer this question.

I did, as I said, those soldiers are the only card the Hizbollah have for their outrageous demands, so they would definitely would not fire from the house they are held in, apart from the failed attempt to rescue the captured soldiers the IDF's goal in the offensive was to assure such incidents would not happened again, with the situation now in Lebanon, I can say that their objective was almost completely achieved.

Let me ask you this, if they where human shields, why they did not release them after the cease fire ? after all, it was a major part in the cease fire agreement the soldiers should be released unconditionally:

The Resolution

The Resolution demands:[1] Full cessation of hostilities (OP1) Israel to withdraw all of its forces from Lebanon in parallel with Lebanese and UNIFIL soldiers deploying throughout the South (OP2) Hezbollah to be disarmed (OP3) Full control of Lebanon by the government of Lebanon (OP3) No paramilitary forces, including (and implying) Hezbollah, will be south of the Litani River (OP8). The Resolution at the same time also emphasizes:[1] The need to address urgently the unconditional release of the abducted Israeli soldiers, that have given rise to the current crisis.

Even though Hezbollah agreed to it, it takes no steps to respect it, the only violations of it are on Hezbollah's part.

Quote by: ise God, they assassinated their PM in front of the world and blamed some 'lone assassin sap', for god's sake. This 'device' would appeal to them, big time. So who had a higher value on these soldiers staying alive.

Another conspiracy theory unsupported by any facts, keep going, most people would swallow any crap as long as it stands up with their "unquestionable" beliefs.

Quote by: ise So you say ..."so it is assured they will do anything to ensure their safety once they have them as hostages." That is a MIGHTY BIG ASSUMPTION. Do you have any reason to hold this opinion? Please enlighten me.

The demands of the Hezbollah in exchange for those prisoners are enough of a proof, no-one would want their trading cards to be damaged, would he ? if they wouldn't want to keep them safe why not just kill them instead of staging a well planed kidnapping operation within Israeli borders ?

Quote by: ise ""The Israeli soldiers kidnapped were never meant to be used as human shields" is another very presumptuous statement. Might I ask you to take a little more care in framing your allegations. I crave clarity and detest sloppy wording..:) It is not you that I have in mind here.

See above.

There are innocent Arabs, are there ?[/QUOTE]

Yes. There are innocent Israelis are there ? Your answer is so painfully obvious, so don't lecture me about my pluralism and tolerance as they is way more developed than yours.

Quote by: ise Is murder illegal in Israel by the IDF? Let me ask that another. If a member of the IDF murders an Arab, is it a crime? In this case the murder gets paid continuously and gets compensated for his troubles. I didn't believe it either, even after reading it TWICE.

The "murderer" as I read is eventually found innocent in a court of law, therefore he is entitled for a compensation for his jail time, yes, murdering innocent civilians is a crime, but it has to be proved in a court of law, just like in any other country.

Why don't you criticize Palestinian here, if you are so concerned about killing civilians, their government as per today is practically made out of terrorist overlords that send their followers killing Israeli citizens in the name of Allah, while Palestinian police and court systems are helpless, and then everybody wonder why Israel goes there to arrest or kill them.