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Quote by: ise ...appears o be ONE sentence. I cannot deal with this. Could you have another go, please. And just for now, could you back up your serious charge "Palestinian propaganda sites that you mainly rely on." I take such a charge very seriously. 90% of my sources are Israeli newspaper. Just check above.

I do not care for grammar if the point is presented as I think it should be, but if you must lay your excuses on such pity things I would simplify it for you:

I wasn't overlooking that, it just wasn't relevant to my argument nor was it relevant to the topic that you presented, we are taking about what happened in Lebanon here, don't we ?

Although I guessed you will bring that into discussion as an irrelevant thing, I do not deny that such mistreatments of the Palestinian population never occur, but for once, the IDF does not use its own population as human shields, like the terrorists do, second of all, you'll see that there are far less of those cases in the IDF as they are illegal by Israeli law, a thing which you yourself admitted, anyone caught doing that gets court-marshaled.

That's the difference, when the IDF allows itself to commit such acts in foreign population, the Israeli society sees it as a degradation of its values, you've quoted several times the words of Israeli human rights activists, but when terrorists shoot rockets or plan suicide bombings in Israeli towns from within their own civilian population, the local population rarely rises against them, because: A. they support them B. they're afraid of them, that's why the terrorists falsely think they are untouchable there.

Quote by: ise If Al Qaeda or some such quoted George Bush in quotes does it mean that you cannot accept the quotes as true. So, by such logic quoted on a 'propaganda' site, Bush is lying? What about "Jews against Zionist" How do you classify them. Yes, you will realise they here in the free world, we do not accept the that US newspaper are unbiased. Surprised?

Quotes are one thing, and they can be confirmed or dis-confirmed by other sites, if bush was quoted "I wear a pink baby doll under my suit" in the Al-Qaeda site you would confirm this information with more reliable sites, wouldn't you ? I specifically excluded your usage of Israeli media sources to fuel your Israeli corruption obsession from my comment, mostly, you take your material from nonobjective sites that are clearly pro-Palestinian, and I can show you examples of that, but I'm sure you remember your own posts.
As for Jews against Zionism, I admit they exist and weather you consider their view to be objective or not they are a minority among Jews, thus not representing in its view the majority of Jews in the world. By the way, you never replied to my example of Arabs for Israel or the other articles I posted in "the holocaust" thread, this might be a good time...

And please, tell me what do you, enlighted Irishmen think is an unbiased media source ?

Quote by: ise Can I deal with your "Here are some facts" later. In Europe, Hezbollah is NOT a terrorist organization! And is WRONG. Such a statement makes me doubt all you say. They do. Successful ones always have. Even the Jewish guerrillas/terrorists back in 1948 hid among the people.

Let me rephrase that: guerrillas do not put their civilian countrymen deliberately in danger when involved in an all-out conflict.

Simplified: Does not use them as human shields.

Quote by: ise I never said that or anything close to that, but I most certainly would NOT rely on either not unbiased information. Only you used racism in this context.

Really ??:

I say that only Zionist would consider that Hezbollah would consider using their children as human shields. Only RACISTS would believe that other human beings would do so. You would need to be a SICK SICK degenerate to believe that other humans would do such a thing. Yes, I say again, only an absolute RACIST would believe that Arabs would use their kids as shields when more dead Arabs would result.

All the sources I mentioned consider that Hezbollah would consider using their children as human shields, therefore by your Judgment they are racists, not to mention SICK SICK degenerates, don't try and dig your way out of this one, OK.

You would need to be a SICK SICK degenerate to believe that other humans would do such a thing

Quote by: ise I don't get this. Holocaust? Where are we going here? What is your point(s)?

My point is that if you claim that only believing such acts are possible is "sick" then what do you call people who believe (not that there's anything to believe in, it is an historical fact) in the existence of the holocaust, the events that took place there are far sicker than the worst Hezbollah can think of.

Quote by: ise A Zionist with a sense of humour. Now I really am lucky.:) "It's only words, and words are all I have, to take your heart away." I only want one thing. World PEACE. Who's against that!

We're all for world peace, even Al-qaeda and the Nazi's are for world peace in some point, yet you're never going to get it in peaceful ways with that attitude, just like they would not.