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Quote by: zauhiyq How about you don't know the bible yourself. Most people don't know it that well at all.

Apparently this includes you. You're using the OT to refute the NT? You haven't refuted anything I said in post #8. Did you even read the links to the passages I cited refuting Zynners and Levellers Claims?

Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, not change it. Christains don't follow jesus because he followed the law. And he didn't die for no ones sin.

He didn't? Hmmm let me re-phrase that so even YOU can understand. Jesus died (presumably) to PAY for everyones sins. It was the blood sacrifice required by the OT laws for commiting a sin i.e. stoning, animal sacrifices etc.... He payed the blood sacrfice for all future sins commited. John 3:10-21

Is there not still sin in the world?

of course there is, he didn't die to STOP sin, but to pay the price (eternal spiritual death) for sin.

In fact, since jesus followed the laws, it has it that he didn't die for anyone's sin. Deuteronomy 24:16

This is where you use the OT to refute the NT.... doesn't work that way, not even for you. You DO understand what covenants are don't you? The laws of Deuteronomy, Leviticus etc, were all part of the first covenant. Jesus is part of the Second. If you reat Deut 24:16 you will see that god is speaking of Human fathers and children, and NOT his own.

The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Amaziah even followed this law 2 Chronicles 25:4 But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the lord commanded, saying, the fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for te fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.

Again, this is OT stuff applied to OT times and OT people. After the second covenant, This didn't apply in totality, we still don't kill fathers for the children and vis versa, and we are still responsible for our own sins and will be put to death (spiritially speaking) if we don't allow Jesus into our lives. John 3:16... pretty famous verse and it explains it.

When you know the bible well, you'll learn that no preacher has the heart to go against traditional teachings even when it's wrong in effort to explain to you that Jesus did not die for your sins. Ezekiel gives a serious breakdown in this in chapter 18

You seem to be arguing from the Jewish standpoint, you keep using OT scripture to refute NT scripture. Why? Are we to suppose that Christians all got it wrong and only the Hebrews got it right? Please explain from what view you are arguing.

You'll see a strong take onto the commandments and you should notice verse 20.... the soul that sinneth, it shall die. The soul shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteous of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

And you will notice that this verse isn't speaking of Jesus (the Son) or of God (The Father). So what is your poiint?

It explains how nothing can destroy a soul like sin and how nothing can save a soul but good deeds through the commandments, the law. And...it was teachings of paul that left these laws, period.

Again, you seem to be arguing from the Jewish standpoint and would seem to warrant its own thread.