[Zinkovich]

I perceive language as nothing more than socially agreed-upon verbal symbols we use to represent concepts beyond, "Gork, look...elephant", a concept that can be expressed physically by grabbing Gork's shirt and pointing at the elephant. I suspect the human tendency to "talk with our hands" is a holdover from a time when our language was inadequate to express our thoughts.

Except often, we bend and twist these aforementioned societal concepts, and link them together to form linguistic constructs beyond mere statements as "look at this elephant". We start to use projection and a sort of filtering system usually when using such language. That is what I was trying to point out. That, and what affect it has on our egos.

Of course we do. I use language to express my thoughts. If I had no thoughts I'd have nothing to communicate. I also cannot know what another is thinking. So I can only express my thoughts, even if they weren't mine originally. Whatever input I take in becomes a part of me. Some of it I reject as incompatible with what else I know.

Exactly. However, you are ignoring the impact this has on our ability to objectively view the constructs we represent through language when tempered by our ego.

You lost me here.

Sorry, I was responding partially directing tha tpart of my post towards a certain attitude held by mystics.

In some mystical mindsets, they believe in dividing their mind and conflicting different parts of their ego until it become more "singular", to the point where they are at "peace" with themselves, and later to the point where they are supposedly without a concept of "I". What they do not realize, and I think this is very important, is that when you eliminate these aspects of your own ego, the ego is still there and is still changing based on past experience. Therefore, old egoistic viewpoints you "eliminated" will often pop up once again in your mind sooner or later. You truly cannot get rid of "you".

It was directed at them, so it was natural that I lost you on that one.

When would I not have both form and ego? I think I missed something.

You can never be without it. That's part of the point I try to make to people(especially the numerous spiritualists I talk to, living near one of the spiritualist capitals of the world), through various ways.

In fact, if you read the sentence immediately following the question, you'd realize I already agree with you, in a sense.