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Quote by: iahag I was wrong to even try to comprehend the god figure. Its completely impossible.

Such as you think would really mean what? You CAN read right? What is it that YOU know about God or believe that makes you think that comprehending the god figure is completely impossible? I'm willing to bet that most who speak of God whether they believe or not get their information about God from the bible. Great grounds for comprehending the god figure. In fact, if you have good comprehensive skills, you can tell when someone else has poor comprehensive skills when refering to god as written about in the bible. And remember, individuals use reference.

Quote by: iahag I was merely trying to use the common reasoning behind the figure of god to show the consequences of such thinking. I assumed that god had limits and thus, exists in a world of his own. Such statements are completely wrong, you can quite easily refute this by saying 'he doesnt have limits'. And Id be in no position to contend with you because as I said before. The notion of god is determined by the individual

The consequences of accepting contradicting ideas is that you may need to simply provide reason why you have. Not that you are right. I can tell that you are sincere. While you struggle with ideas on whether god has limits or not, you should be investigating why you ever had the thought. *wink* Since you are not expert on the bible nor do you intend or want to be. *smile*

Quote by: iahag As for the so-called atheist bit. I dont refute the idea of a creator of our universe at all, I just dont consider it. Why? Its an unfalsifiable idea where the very notion of such a concept is determined completely by the individual maintaining the belief.

I see how hard you are trying. And I see the excuses for not doing your homework as well. You don't consider it cause why?

It's an _____ idea ___ notion of such a concept ______determined _____ by the individual maintaining the belief.

A belief maintained by an individual, hmmm. Are you saying you don't consider the idea of a creator of our universe because you don't believe it or maintain the belief as you put it? What do you mean by not considering it? I mean what are you trying to say by saying you don't consider it? Seems you're saying a person who doesn't maintain the belief wouldn't consider it. lol, kind of tricky, huh? To me it's obvious that once a person has considered something enough to choose not to believe in it or maintain the belief, still places the realization that something has been considered. Do you mean you don't consider it any more? And if so, does it mean it's because you use to be the person maintaining the belief? I would want to know why the person was maintaining the belief in the first place. *wink*

Quote by: iahag Who said I experienced a miracle? Who said I was an atheist? I cant really answer that considering I dont precisely know what a miracle is and thus dont know whether I have experienced one in any way, shape or form.

You never said anything about experiencing a miracle. But you did make a comment regarding to what theist would believe or what they believe. How would you know? Your not even an expert on the bible. So called atheist might have a point to believe in such a way if they could come out on top in a biblical translational debate. Point out all the weak bricks and reasons not to believe and point out a more logical acceptance. Below is what you said....

Quote by: iahag I assume by 'huge' you mean 'relatively large within the three spacial dimensions' (relative to what is up to you). And so by this statement, your implying that - god and heaven both exist within the 3 spacial dimensions -. Thus, your implying that god and heaven exists in that which we can see, interpret ... etc. Yet this is in contradiction to the modern theists view that god is in no way associated with our reality other than 'a mysterious guiding force'.

Moses following lights in a cloud is a mysterious guiding force. So is Urum & Thurum which is like dice or taret card reading. Or a staff turning into a snake or being in fire or not being burned. All these things are in the bible and people call them miracles. Falling and not getting hurt, drinking poison and not dying and even being able to predict the future by vision or dream. Even if what you claim is a modern theist view was accurate (and I think not), how would you know the foundation (reference) for the idea was solid or at least logical? As you see, even if you use to be atheist, it wouldn't help. Because it doesn't imply what kind of atheist you were or would have been. But going through that school as a sincere individual would help a lot! I know. *wink*