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Quote by: kubedawg Voice your opinion to the right people, to get this enforced.

The "right people" or decision makers will only act once a groundswell of people call for change. Activists don`t have to just target industry leaders and politicians, they have to target their customers and constituents to inform them so that they join the group of voices calling for change.

But I don't think that eating meat is such a bad thing.

That is not what I asked you in the above post. You said that animals should be killed before being dissasemble. If you say that they should be so, then you obviously feel that it is bad that they are slaughtered the way they are and that that system of disassembling them is horrible. I asked you a question above based on your knowledge of the system and your eating habits. Please go up and give a direct answer to the question posed to you.

Plants are living things. Vegetables are living things. Just because they don't have a personality like some animals, doesn't mean it's wrong to kill these plants. So why is is wrong to kill animals just to eat them afterwards?

If one accepts that it is impossible to live a life without causing some death or suffering, then one should at least accept that he or she should cause the least amount of death and suffering possible. In that case, it takes more plant life to create value added in the form of beef than what would go directly to consumers. Therefore, less life would be lost without beef production. The net loss of life and suffering is less if one eats plant life. Vegetarianism has never been about perfection.

That said, would you please show us a peer accepted research paper published in a well respected journal that conclusively states plants have the ability to suffer?

I take my survival over any animals.

I would too if one were threatening my life. Do they threaten your life on a daily basis?

FYI, your survival is not dependent upon eating them in this modern world. If you think so and cling to out of date perceptions, do show us data that says your life is dependent upon eating meat in this modern world.

A friend of mine was ...

Testimonials are not verifiable. Since they are not verifiable, they prove nothing and therefore mean nothing in debate. I, too, could come back with "a friend of mine" story and in the end these kinds of stories do little to prove a point -- other than someone is not skilled at debating or making a point.

A lot of people who are vegetarians who I know personally have the wrong ideas. They think just because it's cute and lovable, it should be treated better than less personable or lovable reptiles like a flippin crocodile.

Again, testimonials mean little.

I don`t deny though that many people are more prone to give special consideration to 'cute' animals rather than the reptilian kind. More flesh eaters are guilty of this than vegetarians -- and even more so than vegetarians who choose their diet based on animal rights.