Hi ibm,
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Quote by: ibm  "strongheartswin", if looks like you truly feel strongly about the issue. i just want to know one thing, though - can you honestly tell me you've never had, since you chose to become a vegetarian, a cheesecake or anything in kind? i'm asking this because i know quite a few vegetarians who have had stuff like a veggie pizza/burger with cheese. |
I have had no meat products since I have become a vegetarian. I am not a vegan but do not debate the fact that veganism is even the more moral choice of the two. It is. However, I am more and more cutting out dairy products and probably soon will go vegan.
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me personally don't have a problem with vegetarians in generally. if you just don't like meats and simply prefer veggies that is. but don't try to preach morality or anything close to it on this. it's a load of crap. THAT, is what i meant by not worth debating.
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Well, we will agree to disagree on this point, ibm. I will continue offering it up for debate and in this thread put forth the moral/ethical reasons for it. If you wish to not debate it because you view it as a "load of crap" then why don`t you please graciously stay out of the thread to let others who do see it worth debating to do so, rather than just declaring it a "load of crap" because you feel so -- or just have a desire to derail the discussion or shut it down. Why should judging a topic for debate "a load of crap" be made by you?
What if everyone went around to all the threads and whichever ones they didn`t like or feel worth debating interjected, "debating this topic is a load of crap"? First of all, it isn`t very civil. 2nd of all, it is contrary to the spirit of what a forum whose purpose is to promote debate on controversial issues is. And finally, it would cause the threads to be sloppy, disjointed, and not smooth to follow -- for simply debating the worth of something for debate is in itself pulling the thread off topic.
If you would like to debate the value of declaring topics, or the topics themseloves, "not worth debating", then why not start a seperate thread on that so that the issues in the threads can stay focused and on topic? That would mean you could just start a thread called, "Vegetarianism on moral grounds: Worth debating?" There. I did some work for you. Why don`t you take it and run with it. I may visit the thread and tell you why it is worth debating. Waiting for your OP on it.
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...may your heart be stronger or stronger - by your eating veggies (and only veggies). |
Thanks. And you, too. Your heart and the animals that aren`t killed for your alternate choice will thank you for it. <smile>