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Old Aug 9, 2006, 03:36 pm   #20 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready
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Fonceai said:
You continue to address the circular nature of the problem.
I say:
Because that is the REAL problem. Until it stops, the circle continues.

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Fonceai said:
Politicians gave the citizens fradulent information, so they are to blame.

The majority of citizens accepted that information and didn't really look into it.
I say:
Exactly, citizens have suffered due to blatant with-holding of information, and manipulative or "fraudulent" government procedure and disclosure.

A good example?

Marijuana and Hemp laws.

As my rights according to the Constitution, I have the right to consume anything I wish to consume as long as I own what it is I am consuming.

I own my own body, correct?

If I plant a marijuana plant in my yard for personal consumption, how is any right being infringed?

Now, look at how they went about illegalizing marijuana and hemp. (hemp by the way was a national STAPLE crop, and was once "ORDERED" to be grown by the government of any farmer so ordered.)

They circumvented the Constitution to illegalize marijuana and hemp, which means they didn't create the law as was PRESCRIBED by the standing Law of the Land. This makes the laws void. At the same time, States rights are being totally ignored, even today, concerning this issue. This issue has been being brought up by the people since the 1970's, and the courts still refuse to act on the ORIGINAL injustice.

This is blatant mis-use and abuse of law, and the free market, and is a punishable offense. Even if no restitution is issued, the case must be reversed, on principal if we are to have any respect for our system of law.

"Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
-Abraham Lincoln (1809-65) U.S. President.
Speech, 18 Dec. 1840, to Illinois House of Representatives


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Fonceai said:
Any citizen with a problem with their government but not willing to do more than complain is the type of citizen that is to blame for the problems.
I say:
It takes complainers, and activists to GET NOTICED anymore, in the world of corporate media that exists now.

In a nation of 300,000,000 people, the media has no time for individual causes unless they have something to gain from it. That is not how media is supposed to operate. They get profit from selling papers, but their JOB is to inform the public.

We all know that "unbelieveable headlines" sell news publications. That does not mean their job is to focus only on stories that profit them.

We have failed at media regulation, especially with the FCC and televised information. If there is no truth in broadcasting, broadcasting is simply a propaganda tool.




I agree, people deserve the government they get. However, when the information that is being "allowed" to citizens is not a complete or even NEAR complete picture, they fail in their mission to "inform the public". In this case, fraud can be an issue, and this is where evidence comes into play.

I have a lot of evidence that spans from 1850 to current, showing a trend of government hiding information in a supposed "transparent society". The trend also shows a constant increase in "black funds" and budget increases that are NOT approved by the people, but instead that same government that is with-holding information from the people.

If the FCC doesn't do their job, why are they there? If the Congress doesn't take action, or can't, why are they there? If the Senate doesn't take action, or can't, why are they there. All of these people SWORE AN OATH to uphold the Constitution, not their party. We the people must hold them to that oath by bringing this evidence to light, any way we can, until the media is FORCED to deal with it by public demand, or by a show of loss of respect for media.(which is now happening, and has been, since the start of the Iraq war and 9-11)

This is why I go easy on complainer/activists and HARD on government and media. Government and media have a lot of money to throw away on ANY given case, as well as a department of their own law firms. People have themselves, and whatever money they can raise for their cause(usually very meager).

The media is no longer serving the people, instead they serve their paymasters and advertisers. (corporate America)

The government no longer serves the people, instead it serves its lobbyists and its corporate paymasters and campaign funders. (corporate America)

Our foreign policy hasn't served the public since WWII, it serves the parties by raising black funding for black jobs, such as the Pablo Escobar fiasco in Columbia.

We have been sold out, by our sworn and elected leaders. Now it is time to prove the fraud, and all the help that can be attained is needed.


Petition of Redress of Grievances:
http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm

Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks:
http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/


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