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Quote by: morgan Voting rights -- that was, what, 80 years ago? Let's talk about today's self-identified liberals. |
does the wikipedia definition of "american liberalism" have a certain timeframe? [url=nope]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_liberalism[/url[, it doesn't... plus, voting rights are currently being debated in congress...
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Quote by: morgan Human rights? Most of them are entitlements, entailing a decrease in economic liberty. |
or.... like pushing to abolish torture, or pushing for the right to organize...
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Quote by: morgan Gay marriage isn't really an issue of liberty, its an issue of getting equal handouts for everyone. |
gay marriage definitely seems like an issue of liberty to me... at the minimum, it's yet another issue of certain "types" of people not being treated equally under current laws. you may think that treating people differently under the law is acceptable, but i don't.