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Old Jul 1, 2006, 01:57 pm   #17 (permalink) (top)
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Here's my question: Why's Al trying to scare us?
Because he's right, and we need to be scared. The science is in... global warming is real, we caused it, it's happening faster than predicted, and sitting on our butts doing nothing isn't an option.

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Or Fahrenheit 9/11?
Not even close, Bear. Michael Moore is the liberal equivilant of Limbaugh and O'Reilly..meaning he's a lying sack of sh!t. Gore has it exactly right, and you'd do well to pay attention. Start by going to see the movie.


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algore's movie is nothing more then kool aide for the unwashed masses, hysteria disguised as science, fear mongering at it's worst.
The unwashed masses, Mr.V, are the head-in-the-Sand morons who refuse to accept the consensus of the vast majority of the scientific community studying the issue.

The report you linked is a crock, a MAJORITY report, meaning only the Republicans, from a committee chaired by James Inhofe, one of the most conservative members of either chamber. And at the same time he was issuing this nonsense, the Senate science committee was listening to a report by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences...

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--"The most striking evidence of a global warming trend are closely scrutinized data that show a relatively rapid increase in temperature, particularly over the past 30 years. Weather station records and ship-based observations indicate that global mean surface air temperature increased about 0.7oF (0.4oC) since the early 1970’s (See Figure). Although the magnitude of warming varies locally, the warming trend is spatially widespread and is consistent with an array of other evidence "

"Laboratory measurements of gases trapped in dated ice cores have shown that for hundreds of thousands of years, changes in temperature have closely tracked atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations. Burning fossil fuel for energy, industrial processes, and transportation releases carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is now at its highest level in 400,000 years and continues to rise."

"Nearly all climate scientists today believe that much of Earth’s current warming has been caused by increases in the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, mostly from the burning of fossil fuels. The degree of confidence in this conclusion is higher today than it was 10, or even 5 years ago, but uncertainties remain."--

--"One of the major scientific uncertainties is how climate could be affected by what are known as “climate feedbacks.” Feedbacks can either amplify or dampen the climate response to an initial radiative forcing. During a feedback process, a change in one variable, such as carbon dioxide concentration, causes a change in temperature, which then causes a change in a third variable, such as water vapor, which in turn causes a further change in temperature."--


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Inhofe's nonsense was simply an effort to deflect the massive attention Gore's movie is getting, and he relied on the 'usual suspects' of 3 descredited scientists, perhaps the last 3 on earth who haven't accepted the reality of global warming, and who are paid shills of either the American Petroleum Institute or conservative 'Free Market' foundations.

Then, they drag out their naysayer minority scientists, Bob Carter, the American Petroleum Institute's paid shill Richard S. Lindzen, and Roy Spencer, who's affiliated with the following:

--"Tech Central Science Foundation was formed in late November 2002 (Form 990). The Foundation appears to be a funding arm of the free-market news site, TechCentralStation.com. ExxonMobil gave the Foundation $95,000 in 2003 for "Climate Change Support."--

--"The Heartland Institute sponsors www.climatesearch.org, a web page ostensibly dedicated to objective research on global warming, but at the same time presenting heavily biased research by organizations such as the American Petroleum Institute as an FAQ section. The Heartland Institute networks heavily with other conservative policy organizations, and is part of the State Policy Network, a member of the Cooler Heads Coalition (as of 4/04), and co-sponsored the 2001 Fly In for Freedom with the Wise Use umbrella group, Alliance for America. Heartland also co-sponsored a New York state Conference on Property Rights, hosted by the Property Rights Foundation of America."--

--"Founded in 1984, The George Marshall Institute primarily focused on defense issues, advocating funding for Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative and Star Wars. GMI has since branched out and is one of the leading think tanks trying to debunk climate change."--


Then they go on to criticize Gore's use of the "descredited Mann hockey stick", ignoring that the dispute with Mann's data has to do with temperatures going back further in time, with no significant dispute regarding the 'hockey stick' portion.

Hockey Stick Myths

"MYTH #1: Evidence for modern human influence on climate rests entirely upon the "Hockey Stick" Reconstruction of Northern Hemisphere mean temperatures indicating anomalous late 20th century warmth."

"MYTH #2: The "Hockey Stick" Reconstruction is based solely on two publications by climate scientist Michael Mann and colleagues (Mann et al, 1998;1999)."

"MYTH #3: Regional proxy evidence of warm or anomalous (wet or dry) conditions in past centuries contradicts the conclusion that late 20th century hemispheric mean warmth is anomalous in a long-term (multi-century to millennial) context."

"MYTH #4: The "Hockey Stick" studies claim that the 20th century on the whole is the warmest period of the past 1000 years."

"MYTH #5: Errors in the "Hockey Stick" undermine the conclusion that late 20th century hemispheric warmth is anomalous."


Here's what REAL science is saying...

U.S. National Academy of Sciences Earth hottest it's been in 2,000 years --"Their conclusions (in a report to Congress) were meant to address, and they lent credibility to, a well-known graphic among climate researchers — a "hockey-stick" chart that climate scientists Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes created in the late 1990s to show the Northern Hemisphere was the warmest it has been in 2,000 years."--

American Meteorological Society --"The Arctic is presently exhibiting the largest and most diverse responses to anthropogenic climate warming; these include some of the largest surface temperature increases, rapid retreat of sea ice, and recently documented melting of glacial ice."--

American Geophysical Union --"climate change estimates for the next century may have substantially underestimated the potential magnitude of global warming. They say that actual warming due to human fossil fuel emissions may be 15-to-78 percent higher than warming estimates that do not take into account the feedback mechanism involving carbon dioxide and Earth's temperature."--

NASA Goodard Institute for Space Studies --" Recent warming coincides with rapid growth of human-made greenhouse gases. Climate models show that the rate of warming is consistent with expectations (5). The observed rapid warming thus gives urgency to discussions about how to slow greenhouse gas emissions (6)."--

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This is the SECOND time something has been presented as MY QUOTE which I never posted......WHERE THE HELL DO YOU GET OFF PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH?
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