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RickSp · Jun 15, 2006, 08:29 am

Murtha as a decorated Marine and a senator with extremely close ties to the military gets his information directly from officers in the field. He is repeating what he was told and has said as much. Several things are pretty well established, even if Ape is in denial.

- at least two dozen civilians are dead
- contrary to the initial statement by the military, which has never been retracted, these civilians were not killed by an IED.
- the Marines did kill the civilians, all of whom died from bullet wounds to the head or chest.

Two things that I do find very odd in this thread:

The US military, not John Murtha, has been holding seven young Marines and a Navy corpsman in a military brig in leg and wrist shackles - despite the fact that they've not been charged with any crime. The men are in solitary confinement, at San Diego's Camp Pendleton. Not sure why Ape doesn't seem at all concerned by that, though I have never seen him critical of anything the US military does. Why are Murtha's statements so terrible as compared to holding US personnel without charge?

Murtha speaks plainly. Perhaps he should have inserted the obligatory caveats of the day - the "alleged" murders and so on, but I have far more respect for someone who tries to tell the truth than those who make excuses for people who seem to lie for a living .

I also find it odd that so many are more upset about Murtha's trying to tell the truth than by the deaths of women, children, and old men? Interesting that the one man who does try to tell the truth, however imperfectly, becomes the target of the right wing attacks. There is something very troubling about the values of those who dismiss civilian deaths while getting worked up over whether or not a senior senator misspoke. Do Iraqi lives have such little value that they can be so blithely ignored?

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RickSp Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,589	Murtha as a decorated Marine and a senator with extremely close ties to the military gets his information directly from officers in the field. He is repeating what he was told and has said as much. Several things are pretty well established, even if Ape is in denial. - at least two dozen civilians are dead - contrary to the initial statement by the military, which has never been retracted, these civilians were not killed by an IED. - the Marines did kill the civilians, all of whom died from bullet wounds to the head or chest. Two things that I do find very odd in this thread: The US military, not John Murtha, has been holding seven young Marines and a Navy corpsman in a military brig in leg and wrist shackles - despite the fact that they've not been charged with any crime. The men are in solitary confinement, at San Diego's Camp Pendleton. Not sure why Ape doesn't seem at all concerned by that, though I have never seen him critical of anything the US military does. Why are Murtha's statements so terrible as compared to holding US personnel without charge? Murtha speaks plainly. Perhaps he should have inserted the obligatory caveats of the day - the "alleged" murders and so on, but I have far more respect for someone who tries to tell the truth than those who make excuses for people who seem to lie for a living . I also find it odd that so many are more upset about Murtha's trying to tell the truth than by the deaths of women, children, and old men? Interesting that the one man who does try to tell the truth, however imperfectly, becomes the target of the right wing attacks. There is something very troubling about the values of those who dismiss civilian deaths while getting worked up over whether or not a senior senator misspoke. Do Iraqi lives have such little value that they can be so blithely ignored? Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis Last edited by RickSp; Jun 15, 2006 at 08:32 am.