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Quote by: Saint Vern Hmm. Well then if baseless neo-darwinism supposedly is the foundation of "education", you should not be troubled by the idea of bringing in the belief set that actually has some basis in reality--namely Intelligent Design or even Bible Creation--and letting the kids make an informed choice.

Please show me where in reality ID or Creationism has ANY reasonable basis at all. The reason we have trouble with bringing in these so called theories, is because it is a SCIENCE class, not a theology class, or a religion class or a bible class, since that is where all of this pseudo-science is stemming from. Without any scientific evidence, a theory just becomes speculation, and speculation is not taught in science class. If a parent wants to teach thier own kids about ID or creationism at home, thats fine, don't push your religious agenda on to peoples kids.

And if you cannot bear to have all the holes that make The Religion of Evolutionism look like a slice of rotten Swiss cheese exposed and questioned, I guess there is not in fact any merit in keeping such a fiction at the center of "educating". After all, such an irresponsible set of teachings is no basis at all for "civic responsibilities" or any other kind.

Yes, we should teach that a passage from the oldest story book on earth is actual science. :rolleyes: I know that fundies really want their way of thinking taught in science class, but protesting and pettioning the board of education is not the way to get it in. I could get a bunch of people together to sign a pettion demanding that information from the book 'War of the Worlds' be taught in science class to educate children about extraterestrials, but it would not work. Science is a subject made up of proven facts, obersvations, theories and experiments. You can't just shove in some random theory to appease a minority sect. If you can get the majority of acreddited scientists and scientific instituions to buy the ID theory, I'd say teaching ID in class is fine, because if the world's top scientists actually put stock into it, then there must be a good reason. So, get experimenting. Please demonstrate scientifically how a Omnipresent entity created our entire universe from nothing in seven day's, even though at the beginning of time Earth did not exist yet and the period of a day was still unknown. Please prove to us that Uranium dating is completly wrong and the world really is 5000 years old or however long these 'religious scientists' claim the earth has been around. Well? Hop to it!