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Callous Giant said:
Erm I'll quote you again in case you missed it. I think the fact that they won't agree is more of an issue for them rather than whether or not the coalition forces should have gone in.
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I think they are both major issues for them(the Iraqis), depending on which group you ask. Some were glad to see Saddam gone, some weren't. Some were glad to see him gone but didn't like losing large portions of their family to airstrikes and attacks, brought on by the "occupation".
The thing is, we are there now, and now we have to get the leaders of the three factions together and tell them they need to pull together, or fortify themselves, because we are pulling out now since there ARE no WMD, and Saddam is out of control, and under THEIR charge.
Our occupation and media in the area, draws terrorists to that location to cause damage to innocents and our forces. Our people are there, and because of that, and the cameras focused on them, they are targets. Our soldiers should be pulled back over the next month, and then withdraw completely as soon as feasibly possible.(fesible due to being able to withdraw securely, orderly, and in full strength.)
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Callous Giant said:
We started the war, we shouldn't just leave them to fight it over. Granted we shouldn't have been there in the first place, but we've made it our responsibility and if it doesn't work we've got no one but ourselves to blame.
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I agree we shouldn't have gone. I do think we should leave them there to "figure it out" amongst themselves. It is their country, and we have NO say in how their system should operate, be governed or its security. We should do one final thing, which is to arm all Iraqis of reasonable age, and inspire them to create their own civil defense force made up of the entire populace, and that will sustain them until they get their full military (if they have one, and not three) up and running.
They are a nation, entitiled to their own soverign status. We should take our toys and come home.
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Callous Giant said:
When you say they MUST settle it themselves, that is true, but they WONT, so therefore the next best option is to try and keep peace for as long as possible.
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Why won't they? Don't you just mean they won't settle it to YOUR satisfaction? Peace is not always good.
Is it good if there is peace, simply because the populace is petrified of the level of force of those who oppress them, like a concentration camp?
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Callous Giant said:
Pulling out of Iraq will be selfish and immoral,
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Selfish HOW? Immoral????????????????????????????? Whose morals are you basing that statement on?
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Callous Giant said:
even though coalition troops and Iraqi civilians die every day because of the forces being there.
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As long as it isn't you or your kids right?