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Old May 3, 2006, 02:47 pm   #9 (permalink) (top)
gr8fuldaniel
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If we would have had an "INFORMED ELECTORATE" we would have been voting people in to address these issues years ago, since peak oil was known about since the 70's.
The problem isnt peak oil. We have an intentional shortage. Though peak oil could be a problem some day, even soon. It wouldnt hurt to act "as if", and use science and known alternative and renewable energy. As for the "INFORMED ELECTORATE" ....The real problem is the electorate didnt really choose who is in power. Who owns the machines chooses our leaders. Elections are but a charade. Until that is changed, we are but an annoyance to them. They will go through the motions of an election as an opiate for the masses. An informed electorate would run Diebold and ES & S, out on a rail. That aint happening, yet. Dont look for any real change until then. The ruling class is planted by Oil interests that will not rock the boat. Look for that to change ........never. In a hundred years the same corporation (Our government) will be selling us all bottled oxygen and charging exorbitant prices for "their" product, because of "Peak Oxygen", caused by the transfer of carbon from oil below, to the air above. It will be too late for Windmills, then, because the air will be more sludgy then. For the grand kids.
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Seems like we find ten ways to Sunday why we won't solve the enegy issues instead of finding ten ways to Sunday to solve the energy crisis. We make our bed here and we are now lying in it.
The primary problem is there is no competition. We now have only 4 Oil corporations in virtual monopoly. There were 20 oil companies not so long ago, now the cabal has been closing refineries down to lower production. they are cornering the market There is no shortage of crude, only an artificial funneling of product. And the more worldwide reserves that are secured, coupled with a government junta rolling back fuel consumption (and environmental) standards in the automotive industry and a failure to promote viable alternatives.....Its just plain criminal.

I recommend this:

Dreaming War: Blood for Oil and the Cheney-Bush Junta (2.95 New/Used)
It was written in the perpetuity between Afghan and Iraq wars.

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ExxonMobil History

The fruitful relationship continues today between ExxonMobil and the Saudi Arabian Oil Company, or Saudi Aramco, created by Royal Decree to manage the Kingdom’s energy resources.
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ExxonMobil’s commitment to Saudi Arabia is genuine, resilient and long-lasting. We look forward to continuing a relationship of mutual respect and mutual benefit as we, together with our partners in Saudi Arabia, focus on new opportunities to expand the Kingdom’s energy infrastructure.
I havent seen any loyalty oaths to their American customers. But I have seen Dumbya holding hands with Suadi princes.
Bush came to Sacramento about 10 days ago, he did a photo-op at a Hydrogen Cell company, which is an absurdity. Anything viable is at least 10 years away in that technology. Even then it is not such a great alternative. We need CHANGE NOW! Not in ten years. We will be nuked in ten years when the world gets fed up with our empire building. Simpler alternatives are available, we just need the pumps installed and factory conversions and conversion kits for Bio-Diesel. Its gonna take a while for them to control all the land that can produce vegetable oil, though. Thats the best explanation for the delay. But they are working on it with the new Immenent Domain laws.

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