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Old Apr 21, 2006, 11:21 pm   #17 (permalink) (top)
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Perhaps you can tell us more about your experience, then?
Furthermore, can you elucidate on the rights which, according to
you, can only be bought under capitalism?
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Finally, I'd like to know just how likely it is
for one to "end up starving in the streets" in
the United States at the present time.
Thanks in advance.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/fe.../homeless.html
http://www.solutionsforamerica.org/t...elessness.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeles..._United_States

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You did not answer his question. Please do so or admit that you cannot. Thanks in advance.
Implied is that all those factors together create a climate of submission and exploitation.

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Do you have proof for such a suspicion?
Are "global capitalists" really such, when managed-trade organizations such as
the WTO, IMF, and World Bank exist?
Such institutions exist to better uphold what corporate owners want, just like private police exist to better uphold what corporate owners want.

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Interesting.
Can you share with us your proof of how the
definition of "profit" implies (explicitly or implicitly) the lack of
mutual benefit?
Furthermore, can you explain to us exactly what you mean
by "the upper hand"?
Finally, is it your contention that wealth is a zero-
sum
game? Thanks in advance.
First, one obvious point is how capitalists in this very forum call my ideas of mutual benefit naive (or whatever). Corporate rulers don't want certain demands to to get in the way of profit. When they are able to call the shots against the interests of their workers, it means they have the "upper hand," or a position of advantage and control (AKA authority).
Your theory must account for this, not mine.


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More support (i.e. proof) is required here if we are to take your position in any way seriously. Thanks in advance.
The proof is simple. If a business owns the means to life, then people must rely on the chain of command in that business to survive. That is an authoritarian setting.
It creates a climate of unquestioning obedience.

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