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Old Apr 3, 2006, 02:28 pm   #10 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready
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Technosoul said:
In a capitalistic society you must add up how large the population is (number of people who should be employed) and then add up the number of jobs open, which must be provided for by that capitalist system. Capitalism will fail the population if everyone cannot be hired to take part in that system. How can we insure this math is workable?
I say:
Because, history has shown that mans needs rule the market, and when left a room to profit, the market WILL ALWAYS fill the gap eventually. The problem is in the system, when false agitators or regulators are put on the market, it has the habit of showing human err to predict the market, which results in a skewed market dynamic that often leads to speculation and failure, or GROSS voids of market gap.

If all people that operate within a free market system, are truly equal in access to the market on both the buying end, and the selling end, the market will stay true to its laws. However, the creation of corporations, and the removal of individual responsibiliity from market interaction affects, removes the "danger" of market interaction when corporations are allowed to run rampant, as they are. The market naturally kills individual small business when it is a bad business, since people stop using it, it becomes unprofittable and dies. This is because a small business has limited resources, and limited dependency. Corporations can span large areas of the market, and be largely removed from the "dependency" of repeat customers, especially when given the freedom to isolate the market by outpricing all smaller competititors before being exposed as bad business. Once they create this "monopoly" of dependency, they can significantly alter the "market appearance" to favor their needs, and investments. Corporations owners are isolated from the effects of their bad decision making past the point of losing their job,or their "individual investment". This means they are free to rape and pillage markets getting rich, while isolating all that they aquire from lawsuits and reclaimation by those they hurt, by legal protection due to incorporation. This is government law sponsored INJUSTICE in the system.

This is why the rights of incorporation MUST BE CHANGED to regain our republic.
This is also a key reason why are laws, our system of ecnomics, our government, is so corrupted beyond the point of reasonable men to control their anger. This change that favored "corporatism" with regards to the laws of incorporation being taken out of the "reach of the community" the corporation served, was so close to the change of concept of slavery and that it causes one to wonder if the parties in power at the time, did this as a trade-off for public acceptance to the removal of the concept of slavery, to pacify the industries that were DEPENDENT on slavery to profit while ALSO pacifying the people to quell another revolt after the civil war.

That is one of the things instrumental to understanding the failure of our system if we continue down the path we are now.


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Technosoul said:
Needless to say outsourcing jobs, imports, and any technology that might replace humans in the workplace, are also factors in that can effect the mathamatical outcome of a capitalistic system - relative to the population within this country. Such can minus jobs just like taxes cane minus profits made.
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Outsourcing is only a problem, if the countries the jobs are outsourced to don't respect the basic rights of humans, as our bill of rights specifies. This means that if the free market allows nations to trade, while being nations who do not respect the rights of their citizen workers, then both nations will profit of off labor extortion for ridiculously low wages.

The nations like China for example, are profitting of their workers being FORCED to work for low wages, because THEY CAN. As a free market person, I struggle with this, since I don't see the free market system working unless nations such as China are held accountable for this action of extorition either by tariff or exclusion from the market, since their tactics SERVE to destroy the market, and the reasoning for the creation of it, which is to better the plight of man, and his pursuit of freedom of thought, belief, expression and creativity. How could one be an HONEST free market advocate, and NOT recognize this OBVIOUS necessity for its success? As it is, we too can profit from this system, but it is the GOVERNMENTS and CORPORATIONS that profit, at the EXPENSE of PEOPLES LABOR, and the PERCEIVED VALUE OF THAT LABOR.

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Technosoul said:
Nature provides the birds with enough bugs to eat. So should not our economic system do likewise relative to providing enough jobs to eliminate hunger - etc.?
I say:
That is not a good analogy. You fail to notice that nature only provides enough bugs to balance out the food chain. If there are to many bugeaters, the bugs will soon be extinguished, and all bugeaters will die if the change is so abrupt or spanning that it doesn't allow evolution to take its course. Much like man, being a meat, vegetable eater, if man kills off all of these things through consumption, man will cease to exist if the nature of the change is faster than the technologies ability to address the problem. Nature has a beautifully complex, yet interdependent system of balance, based on natures market on life and death. Nature is very, very cruel, yet very rewarding to those that have a chance to experience it. In life most see great wonderment, and joy, as well as great pain and sorrow. That is nature. We are here a short time, and then we leave the world as we know it. The biggest struggle of man is to successfully marry all things logic can predict, which is the basic root that all men are individuals, at this level of basic education we are now born with inherant in language, history and mankind in general as a society. Knowing this, mankind as a whole should, and has been struggling against the powers that be (government/tradition/perception) to free the individual to the largest amount, which would allow an all encompassing global market, of equals, void of national lines, prejudice and culture.

Obviously, man takes great pride in culture, and history, as well as personal beleifs, hence the struggle continue to enlighten man of his common plight as a whole, against the majority of his enemies, which are his own creations of pride, prejudice and perception.

At least, that is my honest opinion, in summation.

I will also point out that INDIVIDUALs, have pioneered human understanding of cloning, which could be the keys to mans living to the ability of the planet and its atmosphere to sustain it. With the rate of technology now, man could theoretically live without earth, for a certain period of time. Over time, this period of being without the needs of earth will grow and grow, until eventually, man will inhabit space through sealed systems of life that is self reliant and fully self dependent. The loss of our common mother earth, could be the necessity that refires the common threads again of collectivism, but time and mans path will be the answer to that theory.

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Technosoul said:
What is the basic plan to insure we can avoid another great depression like we had back in the 1930s? And so that we do not need tax funded safty nets "just in case" enough jobs are not provided for the population by our industry?
I say:
To either guarantee that our nation sticks to its root core, and avoids entangling alliances while still holding true to the beacon of our roots which is personal, and individual liberty, with justice for all, by a government of the people, by the people, for the people, with certain limitations on laws to prevent encroachment of these basic self-evident truths. That is where democracy fails, when it does not prevent rights of the individual from being subverted by the will of the majority. This is also where collectivist views fail, because they fail to recognize the basic errors and necessities of humans in society to have security through property, and protection.

In other words, get the Constittution and its principles back to work, and remove all laws that conflict with the original intentions and interpretations using the words of the time it was written, and the meanings expressed as per the writers in the surrounding writings.

And again, in other words, get Libertarians in government at all levels to once again right these wrongs without the theocratic oppression views of the Constitutionalist party.


Petition of Redress of Grievances:
http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm

Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks:
http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/


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