[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio We are all going to die, it's probably the biggest thing after conception that we KNOW will happen.

We mentally calculate and then know we are going to die some day. Had we be ignorant what death is obviously nobody would feel that he would die. It is our knowlege about death and observation tha tmakes us think that we would die. There is difference in feeling and knowing. I have discussed death in detail on various other threads "Is there time to die" recently.

So lets discuss Death. There are really two views on death, and these are the two I want to focus on in relation to life. 1. There is nothing, death is the end of your exsistance. You're born, you live, you die. That's it. Be it 5 minutes or 105 years, that is all you get to experience reality. 2. There is an afterlife. I personally have a different view of the after life, and it's not the traditional Catholic one. www.near-death.com has some very compelling NDE's (Near Death Experiences) which paint a picture of what comes next IMHO.

Yes, you get to experience reality. The reality is you die for others and not for yourself. Exactly the way while you come out of your house, you are non existant for your family members in the house, but continue to be existant outside for yourself. The only difference is during living state you move about with body and after death you move about without body. My other posts may be reffered to get thing clear !!!

What I want to discuss is, the effect for you the two beliefs have. Does the thought of nothingness bother you? Do you believe that thoughts of the afterlife are just a crutch to make death acceptable.

No, it does not bother me since I have seen my own body lying by my side in one dream. Yes, for most of the persons, who are ignorant about the experience of personal death, afterlife statement would sound like a crutch to make death acceptable.

Personally, I believe in an afterlife. I believe there is more to the universe then just what we are now. Do I have any solid concrete proof. No. I do not.

I wont't be able to provide you one such proof. But would explain the reason for your believe viz, Why you believe there is more to the universe then just what we are now???
Suppose you live always in one room and are not aware of out side world. But somehow you come out of room one day and you would be able to look a vast sorrounding much different. Your field of vision would be widened in a way! At the time of your death something similar happens, you come out of body (compare body with room in previous case) and your vision broadens exactly same way. This is why your belief!!!!!

Persons after having NDEs (near death experiences) describe similar situations. Our respected science names such situations as hallucinations and what not!!! But reality is you exist with your meta-physical mind with memory in tact, which slowly fades off due to your attention to different more interesting environment you are interested in at that time. :confused: ??? No need to do so, it is very similar to dream, as I explained somewhere else. :)

If life is just what we have now, then the cruelity of life is far more magnified then most people might think. If there is an after life, and the Earth and our time here has some greater importance then just exsisting... well, it makes the cruelness of life more acceptable.

First part is not correct! Definitely there is after life since, many indirect proofs are there. Coming to the case of after life, you are mistaken slightly. My dear nothing is compelling you to be in this world. There is no greater importance than just existing. You are here since you love to be here. It very simple you mostly do what you like, if not binded by rules and regulations of society, Govt. etc.. You have come here out of your own wish. You are ignorantly considering your true self as your body. At the time of death when you are deprived of your body due to natural fixed property of aging, you mourn for it. Nature not being cruel as you have termed it, provides you another body in form of reincarnation.

Now then, you may ask why is the cruelity of death at all existing. I would ask you in return, what would have happen if there would been no death. Just think it over!!!! :confused:

You would get the answer as to why nature has kept aging and deterioration of tissues, organs, malfuctioning etc., etc., all is for the good of pleasant continuation of life smoothly!!!!!!!

No cruelness Sir, all bless. In gist you love to be here and so you are here. Temporary, since nature runs most of the phenominas in a cycle. :)