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Quote by: Lullaby Chainer You really don't get it, do you?
Please tell me, what is Heaven if my "utopia" idea would render humanity as robots? And please tell me, why do you think God is incapable of defeating your insane little "logic" rule about choice? I said I would give them the WANT to do good, and remove the DESIRE to do bad. PLEASE, try to follow me on this. ^^ |
look, do you want a choice or do you not. if you do, then you will make good on that choice, if you do not, then you have already made your choice.
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Oh, so that is worth the cost of a world of suffering and not only that, but a ETERNITY of suffering for thoughs who are just too-flawed to make it to Heaven? WHAT KIND OF SICK "NEED" DOES YOUR GOD HAVE?
And BOOOHOOO, is it just too painful for God to receive a little criticm but he's ok with all the suffering he is allowing?
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the suffering here is a fraction of the suffering of hell. imagine the heat of the center of the largest star in the universe, multiply it by about 200000000 to the 200th power and that is what hell is. He has no need at all. if it were up to need, He could have just put you right in hell. if it were needs, He could have made it so you would have no choice and would be in hell right now. would you rather that? it isn't NEED it is a WANT. He WANTS to have a personal relationship with YOU. He wants to have a personal relationship with me and everyone else here. but can someone have a relationship with another person if the other person refuses to let them in their life?
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First off.. that is COMPLETLEY irrelevant to what you were replying to, and, to say "if you won't listen to the ones He sends into your life, you won't listen to Him" is just plain stupid. It's entirely more likely that I would actually listen to God himself than some guy he "sent" me. I mean, c'mon dth. Think. It's not that hard. ^^
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it really isn't. and with a little look into history and human nature and psychology, I don't need to look too far. look at pharaoh. how many miraculous signs did God do in Egypt before Pharaoh let the Jews go? and then the idiot went out after, as if he thought God had forgotten about him. let us look at more human idiocy. repeatedly, people have repeated the same mistake. the reason Napolean failed in his conquest of Europe was because he tried to defeat Russia on their own ground in the winter. that was repeated TWICE in both world wars. that was only part of why WW1 was a failure for Germany. they also tried to fight a 2 way war. Hitler started out correctly, but screwed it over later on and failed utterly the same way. humans will never learn from their mistakes.
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Tried with my rules? O.o You mean no suffering? A utopia of bliss for all? Pure creations who wish to do right? I don't remember that ever happening. Unless of course you're twisting my rules. ^^
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let's put it this way, unless you plan on screwing with free will, you ain't gonna make it work. human nature is to break rules. ever heard people say "there ain't a rule that ain't worth breaking."?