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Old Mar 29, 2006, 03:11 pm   #17 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul
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I request that you should not be banned for that little emotional outburst, as I (and others) would know that this might a emotionally sensitive topic, and us liberals can withstand the heat because we allow for such via compassion and love.

Now we all give praise to the men who had to defeat Hitler and who prevented Japan from attacking our homelands, and we praise those in Afganistan who responded to the 9-11 incident, but mostly it was the forefathers back in the days of Washington who combated England so that we can now enjoy freedom of speech, and freedom from overtaxation.

And freedom from slavery, don't forget that part. How can the miltary brag about creating freedom if their own military men cannot be free? What if someone joined the army for that good education you speak of but ended up in Iraq and wanted to go home, he should be free to do so without dishonor or a buch of red tape. We all know that the war in Iraq is not protecting our freedoms nor our way of life here in Ameirca, no one there can ever prevent us form speaking what we want in a limited manner. And did I not ask that you not be banned for a perceptive insult, am I not also on the front lines fighting for your "freedom of speech"? Where is my beeny badge?

I personally give permission to you and anyone to call me every name in the book, enjoy your freedom of speech to the max, however I do not agree that I am an elitist, but I did dump on the military so I guess the word crap would be suitable.

If the shoe fits, I do not mind wearing it.

But I am really dumping on what I might call "occupational slavery". If you mix slavery and freedom together you end up with a foundation that is weak, sort of like using iron and clay to hold up some monument. It will be weak and that could cause the whole stucture to crumble at the very foundaton and to topple over.

If you are in the military freedom of speech could get you into big trouble with the top brass, did you read that in your oath?

You said that any intelligent person knows what they are getting into - so tell me, what kind of I.Q. test does the enlistment officer use to determine how intelligent those 18 year olds are? What are the standards used to be able to enlist?

When I got drafted no one wanted to know how smart I was, but that was back then.

I did not support the war in Nam, in Panama, in Iraq, and in South Ameirca. Not even the war on drugs.

Now the concepts of freedom were not given to me by the military or because someone died in a war, those freedoms (which are in fact limited) were given to us by our thinkers, mostly by elitist intellectuals. Our freedom were allowed us by right thinking judges in the Supreme Court and by thinkers such a Martin King Jr. and others who protested those within our ranks that might otherwise prefer unconditional dominance over others. Freedom did not come out of the end of a gun, it came out of the minds of those who had a vision that could see beyond one that is dominated by guns.

The English enforced their rule with a well organized military, and it was that military that we had to overcome to pursue the freedoms for intellectual thinking, and/or just shooting the crap.

The military was designed to protect our real estate from getting owned by another country, but the military did not write the Consitution nor the Bill of Rights. The Vets can go on saying that they gave me my freedom to sit on my butt and protest, if that make them feel good (when they know darn well they do not want me to do so), but I am not buying into that concept. I did not need to be protected from Saddam, not then, not now, not ever.
HMMM , Not an elitist ? Okay how about ignorant of history ? WW II , the cold war (yes it was a war) , Vietnam was part of that war . I do not like the way the democrats that ran the show back then would not let the military WIN the war but prolonged it and caused even more deaths . The supreme court has given NO ONE freedom , just the constitution backed up by the military and GOD has given freedom .As far as Saddam ? We could have waited several more years and waited for him to be nuclear armed of course . How about Iran ? Should we wait for them to nuke Israel ? The US ? Europe ? In your mind , what justifies war ? The ONLY reason saddam did not use gas or biologocals on Americans is because he knew better . Not because he did not have them . There is mounting evidence that his WMDs are in Syria . I fear that you elitist types will have to eat a lot of words in the near future !
You asked if I were ignorant of history (history about wars). There are many different perspectives about the history of certain wars - each version is colored by different political standings as well as by personal opinons about morality. Republicans might have an interpretation of events that are different then those of domocrats, and in addition you have a number of other independant accounts about such wars, especially concerning Nam and Iraq.

Each historian thinks the other guys version is wrong. What can I say beyond that? Just because you do not wish to hear some version that is different then the one you wish to believe in does not make the other person stupid, nor uninformed. It only means we have a mumble jumbo of opinons to select from.

I can only say "deal with it, learn to live with that fact".

I did not agree with your personal version.
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