[Morgan_Freeman]

Quote by: Technosoul And freedom from slavery, don't forget that part. How can the miltary brag about creating freedom if their own military men cannot be free?

Because they aren't referring to the freedom of servicemembers.

Quote by: Technosoul What if someone joined the army for that good education you speak of but ended up in Iraq and wanted to go home, he should be free to do so without dishonor or a buch of red tape.

This can be done. It's called being a "Conscientious Objector". And of course it requires red tape. Do you think any servicemember should be able to desert at any time, for any reason, without making their case clear to their chain of command?

Quote by: Technosoul If you are in the military freedom of speech could get you into big trouble with the top brass, did you read that in your oath?

Yes, I did.

Quote by: Technosoul You said that any intelligent person knows what they are getting into - so tell me, what kind of I.Q. test does the enlistment officer use to determine how intelligent those 18 year olds are? What are the standards used to be able to enlist?

All enlistees must have a high school diploma or GED. They also must take the ASVAB, which determines their eligibilty for the various job specialties:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASVAB

Quote by: Technosoul When I got drafted no one wanted to know how smart I was, but that was back then.

When did we start talking about a draft? I thought we were discussing the voluntary contract signed by enlistees.

Quote by: Technosoul I did not support the war in Nam, in Panama, in Iraq, and in South Ameirca. Not even the war on drugs.

Neither do I; what's your point?

Quote by: Technosoul Now the concepts of freedom were not given to me by the military or because someone died in a war, those freedoms (which are in fact limited) were given to us by our thinkers, mostly by elitist intellectuals.

The concept of freedon is as old as humanity. It does not require an intellectual to understand. The desire for freedom is as natural as the desire to eat or breath. It was not "given" to us by intellectuals, much less defended by them. As Thomas Jefferson said, "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants".

Quote by: Technosoul Our freedom were allowed us by right thinking judges in the Supreme Court and by thinkers such a Martin King Jr. and others who protested those within our ranks that might otherwise prefer unconditional dominance over others.

ROFLMAO!! The SCOTUS is a defender of our freedom?! Oh brother man, tell me another one!

Quote by: Technosoul Freedom did not come out of the end of a gun, it came out of the minds of those who had a vision that could see beyond one that is dominated by guns.

Utter fuzzy-headed bullcrap. Freedom cannot exist unless it is defended by the force of arms.

Quote by: Technosoul The English enforced their rule with a well organized military, and it was that military that we had to overcome to pursue the freedoms for intellectual thinking, and/or just shooting the crap.

Yes, and guess who did the overcoming? Hint: It wasn't a crack team of intellectuals.

Quote by: Technosoul I did not need to be protected from Saddam, not then, not now, not ever.

Non sequitur.