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Quote by: xyzer I question your assertion Patrick? A closer look at whats really going on might relieve your tension.
At present US troops are doing less and less aggressive action and are merely trying to back up Iraqi military and police efforts at control of violence and maintenance of order. I think this refutes your using the word 'control' of Iraq. We have minimized the military control aspect. |
Trying to minimise and not exercising are two different things. In any case the US does control Iraq and the Iraqi government. They patrol, they arrest, they are the only reason that the "government" survives and thus they control it.
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Quote by: xyzer Certainly the tyranny accusation is unfounded. If we were tyrannical we would slaughter all the heads of opposition groups and set up a puppet government overseen by our military. |
The tyranny accusation is well-founded, it is founded on the use of arbitrary arrest, torture, the disarming of the population, closing down of opposition newspapers and the sponsorship of government death squads. What is that if not tyranny? The fact that the Americans haven't killed every opposition leader doesn't mean there isn't tyranny, if it did then Saddam wasn't a tyrant since he didn't do that either.
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Quote by: xyzer That is not the case! We have been standing by as the various factions try to get a government together. No small task in an area noted for tribalism and anti democratic governments. |
The US has not been "standing by" it has been disarming people, arresting them, torturing them, censoring them. How is this not tyranny?
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Quote by: xyzer Bottom line the antiwar liberals in this country have no patience with an endeavor their Congress and President put them in. No patriotism! No spine! No will to succeed! |
It is not patriotism, spine or "will to succeed" that makes people not want to support the widespread violation of Iraqi rights.
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Quote by: xyzer Thus to them this whole thing should play out like a flic or TV drama..within a certain time frame..with the good guys always winning within the hour..and with little cost for victory. Not more than a price of admission and a bag of popcorn! |
Exactly what would it take for you to admit that the US is the bad guys in this situation? The US has invaded a country based on lies, disarmed the populace, tortured, murdered, what would it take for you to say "The US is not helping."?