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Mr. Perfecto said: The people who get to make the laws? Whose idea of fairness should be used?

I say:
Who made the laws? Most of the laws Libertarians and Constitutionalists have fault with were created and proposed by anti-constitutional, pro-corporate, government subsidized labor major party canidates. Most of these laws can be directly linked to the problems we now are seeing all over in our society.

The only just reason for taxation, is representation, and we aren't getting any from the people that are being PUSHED by the BI-PARTISAN political, and corporate owned media monopoly. The bi-partisan monopoly created the media monopoly by design, to propagate and facillitate their own agendas.

The proof is in the pudding.

Mr Perfecto said: Even ignoring the fact that those who would help might have the resources to do so, you need to take into account that the concept of incentives, like almost everything, exist as a continuum. Where I might not see an opportunity to work for a dollar an hour as enough of a positive incentive to get out of bed...you see where this is going?

I say:
Thank your acceptance of lack of representation, and transparency in lawmaking and tax creation. You are trying to blame the people who think YOU should be paid what YOU are worth. If I need x amount of people to make x amount of money, I will employ them at the amounts I can afford to maintain the necessary profit margin and labor incentive to provide the work. If there is no benefit by the person staking the initial risk in openig the business and providing the jobs in the first place, with his own money, why then would ANYONE have an incentive to work other than to hunt and gather?
Minimum wage creates an "easy out" for employers, to make an exorbitent profit at the expense of labor wages, since all they have to meet to comply with the law is paying a "minimum wage". The minimum wage has been surpassed by ACTUAL wages in almost all industries, EXCEPT where subsidies have directly fucked up the supply and demand equation(farming, etc.)

If you don't have incentive to work for 1$ an hour, than you will either not work for that and find another job that pays better for the same type of work, or you will educate yourself more to justify earning a higher wage by utilizing that new skill in your new job.

Do you have a CLUE as to what PERCENTAGE compared to your wage, your employer pays out for you to work for him under our current system? That is all money YOU could be earning.

Mr. Perfecto said: If a stick is tossed into a furnance, what will happen to each of the individual atoms/molecules/whatever that make up the stick? You don't need to track each atom to predict the end result--a lump of ashes.

I say:
Bad analogy. Life is not fire, government is. Life is abound with opprotunity, thanks to man and nature. Government on the other hand, is like fire.

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
George Washington

Government is only beneficial to the ends it aids society, without IMPEDING it, or the individuals that make it up.

Once a society has so many laws that a common citizen cannot recite them, they can't live within them. This should be common sense. That is why all of our laws are SUPPOSED to be limited by certain rights, that are inalienable. Those rights are very vague, and they allow people to interact freely in personhood and transactions of trade of service or goods.

Under our system, a person who understands their basic rights as defined in the Bill of Rights, should be able to opearte in society without a hitch or interference by law.

If you don't believe there are too many laws, you have never seen a copy of the United States Code, or the United States Federal Register. The Constitution is the SUPREME law of the land, and it is the core of all laws, and that has been trampled and ignored by the people in power for the last 156 years, BECAUSE there has been no REACTION from the people, or I should say sheeple, that make up the politically and governmentally uneducated majority. Thanks public schools!

Mr Perfecto said: Perhaps not. But the population density was also lower. Justice was also swifter and more deadly. And what fell within the sphere that legislation could reach into was also broader. It is very well to bring up the past as a starting point to fixing current problems, in fact, as a conservative I encourage it. But not if you ignore the fact that conditions have changed since then.

I say:
Accepting that conditions have changed since then does not mean blanket acceptance of the concept of the loss of all rights, and individual responsibility as you want to imply. It also does not void the Constitution, or its validity.

Mr. Perfecto said: Things already function that way. But, in addition to the grapevine/press/internet we also have institutions in place to take collective action against inappropriate conduct. Why? To eliminate the incentives to misbehave.

I say:
Oh yes, the results are truly showing themselves by the massive lack of corruption........ :rolleyes: The question is since the results are BAD, why are we not now FIXING that BAD legislation?

Lack of accountability, and a lack of demand for it, thanks again to the uniformed, mis-educated majority of sheeple. Thanks again public schools.

Mr. Perfecto said: It isn't so much about me wanting to protect him as it is about wanting to protect myself and my family. And you know, that is the great thing about democracy. The people have fairly decent tools to protect themselves.

I say:
If you feel that way, you should try to vote in a constitution that states we are a democracy, or move to a nation that has a democracy. The tools we have aren't being taught, or used, instead they are being subverted by those we entrust to protect and enforce those tools, and laws.