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Gr8ful said:
You mean more incentive than cheaper, unregulated slave labor? Less regulation here could backfire. We could go even further backward than bush. Less taxes? The corps. already dont pay taxes if they rent a $10 mailbox in Haiti. |
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Dan, you unfairly assume when I say more incentive to move here, I am talking about monopolistic corporations. You and I have conversed at length over the issue of corporatization that are ruining this country. Monopolies have ruined almost every industry they have entered into, and especially government. This nation was built with strict laws that put communities in charge of THE POWER OF INCORPORATION, just to LIMIT what you are talking about. The anti-constitutional Democrip and Rebloodlicans have gutted that anti-corporate, anti-monopoly safety net. The 14th amendment to the Constitution clearly has been used by corporations WRONGLY to attain the rights of individuals, isolating them from individual responsibility should the business fail. You are trying to blame the very people who SOUGHT to protect you in the writing of the Constitution, and you are praising those who BROUGHT you the corruption you are speaking of being so inherantly evil.
It is corporations that make the ridiculous fortunes that you speak of, that are NOT being forced to pay for damage done to local communities, BECAUSE of republican and democrat legislation to EMPOWER corporations BEYOND citizen, or community LIMITATIONS on their PRIVILIDGE of INCORPORATION.
You are talking about the problem ass backwards. This is why petroleum companies are getting TAX CREDITS as opposed to being saddled with community compliance standards for providing jobs to attain wealth, AT THE COST OF INCREASED COMMUNITY RISK, POLLUTION AND AIR STANDARDS.
Republicans and Democrats built this system of corruption, and you just have to understand that that is the fact. Taxes as they are now, are so far out of reason they are criminal, they are extortion, and the only people the government FORCES to pay their FULL amount of taxes, is the individuals. They are the only ones who DONT HAVE the money to pay for competent tax preparers to wade through the thousands of pages of contradictory tax laws that wrangle the system of faux transparency.
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Do what again? What if you break your back lifting a cast iron tub. What again? WTF are you talking about? I was almost homeless again, my family rescued me this time. Now I am mooching off of family rather than strangers. I have known hard times before, too, when it wasnt by choice. I was born for trouble. I have always done very physical, demanding, dangerous work. I have also done very demeaning under payed work that didnt allow me to save money. Years, many many years of working day to day, hand to mouth. I am not whining, I am a witness to the human condition. |
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Look Dan, I understand how much it sucks, but it is what family is for, and when family isn't there, that is why there is charity. Also you need to understand that a lot of the reason your wages have been so shitty is due to over-regulation by government, forcing you employer to pay more than twice what YOU SEE as your salary in workers compensation, insurance, taxes and other bullshit feelgood legislation that is being looted by the politicians. Tom Noe's coin scandal was proof of how ill managed government is when left un-attended with the keys to the coffers of workers compensation money. I bet the workers themselves wouldn't gamble with that money Dan, at least if they viewed their LIFE and FUTURE as important, would they? That money that is being taxed could be in your check Dan. Pick any job you ever did, and multiply the wage you earned by 2.2 TIMES that wage, and you COULD have been earning that much if not for over taxation by the government.
Now don't say you wouldn't have been "smart enough" to have done that, because then I will say you deserve the position you are in. If a man makes more than he reasonably needs and still can't save money, there is a problem. A man shouldn't work for less than he is worth. If a man can't find work for an amount he feels hes worth, he needs to diversify his skills through more education, or try to start up his own business providing a service in the community for a reasonable market price based on his skills.
I understand that "unexpected" things happen. We take risks everyday of our life, just by being alive. The price for life, is risk. Nature imposes risk, and ALL men are forced to deal with it. Being a thrill seeker myself to some extent, I understand the lure of those types of jobs. But as an individual, you have to be willing to accept some form of risk for any job you perform, if those risks are inherant to the job. As an employer, a person would try to minimize risk through efficient training and tools. An an employee, a person should try to save for unexpected injuries, accidents or lay-offs.
You are born into a family, whether of one or more. That family consists of a mini-society, where the person in charge is the only one with rights and the ABILITY to obtain money from OUTSIDE the society. The PARENTS JOB when deciding to HAVE a child, is to RAISE a child, by having the MEANS AND ABILITIES to educate, and place that child into a life of sustinence the best they can. A society is made up of individuals and famillies. In a real full sized society with multiple famillies and individuals, each person bears their own brunt of responsibility to maintain and provide for their own life, with the aid of their OWN famillies until they are of a manner of self support. An orphanage, hopefully privatized, can take care of children without famillies if an adoptive family is not available.
Charity also, can help the young and the adults, with financial or shelter aid. Government however SHOULD NOT be in the charity business, nor the orphanage business, since they have not their own ability to earn money, they use the WORKERS money to provide that safety net. Over time, welfare states rise, and the burden on society overwhelms the ability of the workforce due to the combination of inflation and the lack of pride and independence available in the workplace due to wages declining, or stagnating due to over-taxation as opposed to rising or levelling with demand from the economy.
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I want to know what you think. You havent answered where the money will come from for city works projects like highways and sewer pipes and water treatment..........You know the things that make life a little better than some 3rd world country. Where does that money come from? I am not being rude. I just dont see how it works. Will it be an un-armed IRS man that will go around and take up a collection? |
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If you read the link above, you will see clearly where FEDERAL necessities can be obtained through state apportionment tax, and states have the right to tax for representation and EMERGENCY use.
The problem isn't necessarily about taxation, it is the amount, the specific forms, and the tactics used in current taxation that is the problem. Some level of taxation will be a neccessity, it is where and how derived that makes all the difference Daniel, and also that ALLOWS for the checks and balances to work as designed.
I hope this sheds a little light on exactly what I am trying to convey here, and answer your questions.