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Old Feb 9, 2006, 01:48 pm   #16 (permalink) (top)
Athena
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Quote by: Abdullah
Salaam Athena,

This is Sruah Fatiha (The Opening) of the Holy Qruan:

Arabic:

بِسْمِ اللّهِ الرَّحْمـَنِ الرَّحِيمِ
الْحَمْدُ للّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ
الرَّحْمـنِ الرَّحِيمِ
مَـالِكِ يَوْمِ الدِّينِ
إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ
اهدِنَــــا الصِّرَاطَ المُستَقِيمَ
صِرَاطَ الَّذِينَ أَنعَمتَ عَلَيهِمْ غَيرِ
المَغضُوبِ عَلَيهِمْ وَلاَ الضَّالِّينَ

English

1:1. In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful

1:2. All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,

1:3. The Gracious, the Merciful,

1:4. Master of the Day of Judgment.

1:5. Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help.

1:6. Guide us in the right path --

1:7. The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.




Well by Warner I meant Messenger, Galileo, Einstein, Newton etc have done great worldy things but not much for the cause of religion.
What a challenging reply. I have given this much thought over the years. I don't see a big difference between Socrates and Jesus, except we deified Jesus and didn't deify Socrates.
Why do you suppose that is? Why decide one is a messenger from God and not the other?

Now Einstien and others believed they recieved knowledge from God. There are those who believe there is a universal intelligence and that we can access this. I am one of them. How do determine what is from God and what is not?

Why would God tell us men are rewarded with virgins, but not the importance of sanitation, or not the principles of math that make it possible for us build all the things that make our lives better? It seems nonsense to me, to think God would tell us one thing, making a good life dependent on dying, and not the rest of how to make our lives better right here and now. And if God reveals all things to us, why worship some people and not others? Personally, I think it is very wrong deify people. I think we can have faith in a God without deifying people. I think the world would be a much better place if we didn't divide ourselves as religion does. Seriously, why tell us of how to have to good life after we are dead, instead of how to have a good life while we live? Math and science are vital to our blessings.

PS. if Moslems worship only Allah, why object to charactures of Mohamed? without Mohamed, want would make Islam different from Judaism or Christianity? These religions are separated by who people deifying. I think this is wrong and wish you all would stay with the one God and stop dividing yourselves with deified people.


Dawn falls Eve. Enlightenment falls the darkness.

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