[Osborn F Enready]

Boetie said:
Where do you get all that from my post above?

I say:
Guilty, I didn't. I took some of that opinion from reading other posts of yours. Perhaps I have errored in my judgement, and if so, I apologize.

Boetie said:
Corporation wasn't even a household word back when the Federalist Party existed. And socialism didn't even exist when the Federalist Party took control of America.

I say:
Not true. The East India Company was the Worlds First Multinational Corporation, and it was well in action by the time we in America formed and became a society with our own system of government.
I will say that it was not a common knowledge of the evils of corrupt corporatism, but though uncommon, the knowledge was out there.

Boetie said:
In fact one of Tom Paine's last letters written only 15 years after the American Revolution predicted the collapse of the reason of the American Revolution. And the reason for that collapse was the rise of political parties.

I say:
I would agree to that being a part of the reason, but not the whole reason. If parties would have been limited at that time to equal funds, provided by a limited, and legitimate tax overseen by an independent, private non-profit organization with citizen oversight, along with an amendment outlining the right to vote, the definition of a fair debate, and specifying low entrance requirements so all parties with any public support could get equal coverage in media, and the ABILITY to debate. At the time though, there was another way of thought moving through the system. It was the socialist line of thought, and it had gained party clout, and many feared the party getting any recognition. Still today that party exists, and still today because of that fear, all third parties are marginalized by the media, at the behest of the major parties and the laws they have emplaced. All of this without a peep from the people.

We all need to stand the hell up, and stop trying to be civil about the takeover of our system that has cost tons of American lives in countless illegitimate wars, and wealth redistribution schemes.

Your rights stop with your will to defend and exercise them.