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Mr.Vicchio · Jan 20, 2006, 10:04 am

Why respond? It's the same old arguement. Wild claims of Tyrrany, Empirialism and trashing the Constitution by King George.

You guys have been making these claims since the Patriot Act went into place. An Empire takes other countries and subjegates them. An Empire does NOT work to hand all power of the governing of said country to it's people to decide for themselves how to be run.

A tyrrany does not allow dissent, yet here we are, reading your rants, watching protesters hold marches, petitions being signed etc... etc...

You claim that the Constitution is being trashed, yet you cannot show a single instance of your rights being violated. So Bush had wiretaps of terrorist with a 45 day rotationg review panel and let the Senate oversight the program. You act as if stopping terrorist is a bad thing.

What claims have you to make that hold water in the real world? Just one. Republicans support thier party, while we are not lock stock in step with the GOP (Many of us are angry about domestic issues like spending, immigration and education) we do however, believe fighting terrorism is worth the price.

Why do people like you insist on making ludicrious claims? Why can't you make a rationale, coherient claim without all the BS hyperbole? Just say straight up what your concerns REALLY are? I know what they are, you do too, if you ever take the "Hate Bush" blinders off you might be able to be honest with yourself.

You fear a government that forces you to be a Christian (which no conservative I know would EVER support) You fear the Patriot Act being used to deny you rights which, if left unchecked by the people and powers in place COULD go that route. You fear a government that steps in and takes control of your life.

What you, and others like you fail to realize is, WE don't want any of the above either. Unlike you, we look at the facts, realize that Terrorist are a real threat, and feel certain steps are worth the effort.

Why do the American people as a whole ignore your screams and cries? Because they still remember the horror of watching airliners flying into the WTC, the smoke over the pentagon. They don't want to see that again. While they have heard your claims, they have found them lacking two things:

1. Credibility, none of the dire fears your side claims are coming have EVER HAPPENED.

2. You offer no alternative for fighting terrorist. If you and others like you could craft a message that made sense, and would keep people safe, you might one day get traction.

But as long as you guys make wild claims, offer no alternatives that protect the country... you're going to be ignored.

Jan 20, 2006, 10:04 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	Why respond? It's the same old arguement. Wild claims of Tyrrany, Empirialism and trashing the Constitution by King George. You guys have been making these claims since the Patriot Act went into place. An Empire takes other countries and subjegates them. An Empire does NOT work to hand all power of the governing of said country to it's people to decide for themselves how to be run. A tyrrany does not allow dissent, yet here we are, reading your rants, watching protesters hold marches, petitions being signed etc... etc... You claim that the Constitution is being trashed, yet you cannot show a single instance of your rights being violated. So Bush had wiretaps of terrorist with a 45 day rotationg review panel and let the Senate oversight the program. You act as if stopping terrorist is a bad thing. What claims have you to make that hold water in the real world? Just one. Republicans support thier party, while we are not lock stock in step with the GOP (Many of us are angry about domestic issues like spending, immigration and education) we do however, believe fighting terrorism is worth the price. Why do people like you insist on making ludicrious claims? Why can't you make a rationale, coherient claim without all the BS hyperbole? Just say straight up what your concerns REALLY are? I know what they are, you do too, if you ever take the "Hate Bush" blinders off you might be able to be honest with yourself. You fear a government that forces you to be a Christian (which no conservative I know would EVER support) You fear the Patriot Act being used to deny you rights which, if left unchecked by the people and powers in place COULD go that route. You fear a government that steps in and takes control of your life. What you, and others like you fail to realize is, WE don't want any of the above either. Unlike you, we look at the facts, realize that Terrorist are a real threat, and feel certain steps are worth the effort. Why do the American people as a whole ignore your screams and cries? Because they still remember the horror of watching airliners flying into the WTC, the smoke over the pentagon. They don't want to see that again. While they have heard your claims, they have found them lacking two things: 1. Credibility, none of the dire fears your side claims are coming have EVER HAPPENED. 2. You offer no alternative for fighting terrorist. If you and others like you could craft a message that made sense, and would keep people safe, you might one day get traction. But as long as you guys make wild claims, offer no alternatives that protect the country... you're going to be ignored. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?