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Quote by: Abdullah rotfl, yes I am using Harun Yahyas work and his book "Darwinsim Refuted",

You think it's funny that you get sucked into that stuff, without actually understanding what you are arguing? But of course, somehow you think that your religion requires that you be a scientific illiterate. Isn't that sad, since it was actually the Muslims who preserved the knowledge of the ancient world through the dark ages?

Quote by: Abdullah ...and just to point this out you guys should know by know that Evolution is a lie which all of you have gotten sucked into.

Actually, evolution is an observation that has been verified many times over. The problem is that you, even though you claim to know what you are talking about, don't. That is evident by the fact that you argue by out of context quote without ever actually citing the source of the quote. Usually you give only a name. Some of the names with which I am familiar have been quite old. For example, your quote from J. Huxley was probably about 80 years old.

You also said the following:

Quote by: Abdullah Darwin said it himself that-"Natural selection can do nothing until favourable individual differences or variations occur."

As Pooeypants pointed out, that statement isn't in conflict with evolutionary theory. However, your quote is bogus. Darwin most certainly did say things like that, but your quote is an invention.

For example, in a letter to Charles Lyell about Hugh Falconer (1862) (from Life and Letters, V. II) Darwin said:

I do not quite see the force of his argument, and he apparently overlooks that I say over and over again that Natural Selection can do nothing without variability, and that variability is subject to the most complex fixed laws...

In a letter to Hugh Falconer (1862) (from More Life and Letters, V. I) Darwin said:

I could show you many passages, written as strongly as I could in the "Origin," declaring that Natural Selection can do nothing without previous variability; and I have tried to put equally strongly that variability is governed by many laws, mostly quite unknown.

And A.R. Wallace quotes Darwin in a letter to Darwin himself (1866) (More Life and Letters, V. I)

For example, at the commencement of Chapter IV. you ask if it is "improbable that useful variations should sometimes occur in the course of thousands of generations"; and a little further on you say, "unless profitable variations do occur, Natural Selection can do nothing."

However, if you read Chapter 4 of Origin (1st edition) you will find that Wallace was paraphrasing. What Darwin said was this:

What applies to one animal will apply throughout all time to all animals--that is, if they vary--for otherwise natural selection can do nothing.

But you weren't paraphrasing. You actually think that you were giving us a quote from Darwin. I challenge you to tell us specifically where Darwin said what you claim he said.

What is really pathetic is that you are arguing against the sufficiency of genetic mutation to provide genetic variability, and you quote Darwin, who had no concept of genetics.

Quote by: Abdullah You all should stop clinging to this materialistic dogma and learn of the truth.

Yet another religious zealot who doesn't know the difference between materialism and methodological naturalism. Evolution isn't materialistic. It isn't even naturalistic. How pathetic that you think that I and others here are the ones clinging to dogma. I make no claims of "truth." In fact, the only one I see doing that is you. How dogmatic.