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Old Oct 12, 2008, 12:57 am   #21 (permalink) (top)
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I don't know, how about the large number of people who either deify Obama or associate him with having some kind of divine blessing? How responsible would Obama be if one of his followers (or in this case, worshippers) killed McCain for stealing the election from "God's Chosen"?
The "Large number of people" who "associate (Obama) with having some kind of divine blessing"?

So far I've expounded on the propensity of Republicans - by name and example - to campaign on character assassination, and I've sourced stories about how the McCain campaign is doing exactly that, and how McCain himself seems concerned that it's creating an ugly, volatile atmosphere, yet seems powerless to stop the momentum to fire up crowds with even more of the same.

So perhaps you'll humor me by providing some source that supports your claim of "large numbers of people" who "deify Obama". Because I'd hate to think you were just making sh!t up just for the sake of having some response here, since neither Barack Obama, nor his campaign, nor anyone that I'm aware of, have ever said or done ANYTHING to suggest a "divine blessing".

After all that's usually the work of the Religious Right.

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Old Oct 12, 2008, 03:08 am   #22 (permalink) (top)
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McCain will only be responsible once they prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is responsible.

Palin on the other hand, will probably not leave her prints on the rifle, so she won't be caught either.


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Old Oct 12, 2008, 06:30 pm   #23 (permalink) (top)
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Apparently wonders never cease... the Republicans have actually found a candidate with a conscience.

McCain changes tactics, returns to civil discourse

"DAVENPORT, Iowa – Republican John McCain, the clock ticking down on a chance to narrow Democrat Barack Obama's lead in polls, turned away yesterday from visceral attacks on his rival to pivot back toward policy differences."

Either that, or they thought they might be painting bulleyes on their own glass houses.

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Old Oct 12, 2008, 07:44 pm   #24 (permalink) (top)
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Conservatives have been practicing the art of hateful character assassination - in place of political discourse - for so long it seems perfectly normal to them
This is a real laugher! For the past 7 or so years I have read countless times quotes from leftist anti war liberal columnists, comedians, TV personalities, Op Ed columnists in the mainstream press,and just plain liberal critics that Bush is a liar, murderer, runaway maniac and loose cannon. If that isnt practicing the art of hateful character assassination then what is it? Bush lied people died!

Here we have one guy getting up and saying he is mad and fed up that this country might go socialist if Obama is elected and you say it character assassination? And your scared some fanatic might do Obamam harm? Surely you jest?


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Old Oct 12, 2008, 09:34 pm   #25 (permalink) (top)
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This is a real laugher! For the past 7 or so years I have read countless times quotes from leftist anti war liberal columnists, comedians, TV personalities, Op Ed columnists in the mainstream press,and just plain liberal critics that Bush is a liar, murderer, runaway maniac and loose cannon. If that isnt practicing the art of hateful character assassination then what is it?
That's nice, but I'm talking about the actual campaign tactics, starting with Lee Atwater, the whole get Clinton attack machine (Arkansas Project/Mellon-Scaife) and Atwater's soulmate, Karl Rove.

Don't even get me started on the messenger boys... the Bill O'Reillys, Rush Limbaughs, Ann Coulters, Charles Krauthammers, Neal Boortz', Glenn Becks, Michael Savages, etc. etc. etc.

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And your scared some fanatic might do Obamam harm? Surely you jest?
Surely you can't actually be as ignorant as you sound. The first black President? Hell yeah I'm scared. Thanks to America's love affair with guns, we manage to assassinate more of our leaders than probably the rest of the civilized world combined.

Assassinations and Attempted Assassinations in America since FDR

Reagan - 1981
Ford - 1975
Wallace - 1972
Kennedy, R.F. - 1968
King - 1968
Kennedy, J.F. - 1963
Truman - 1950
FDR - 1933

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Old Oct 13, 2008, 10:11 am   #26 (permalink) (top)
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Here is a real good example of the attacks by leftists on the Palin/McCain ticket.Michelle Malkin » Crush the Obamedia narrative: Look who’s “gripped by insane rage”

I think this represents more than a guy saying he is angry because he believed Obama will lead us into socialism?
This is pretty vile nasty stuff by so called Obama supporters and leftists.? And it goes back to leftist actions during earlier Bush campaigns. It surrounds the Coulters, Limbaughs and O'Reillys whenever they try to speak in a public forum.
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Surely you can't actually be as ignorant as you sound. The first black President? Hell yeah I'm scared. Thanks to America's love affair with guns, we manage to assassinate more of our leaders than probably the rest of the civilized world combined
Were you aware of this stuff Sonart when you accused me of being ignorant? These leftist goonies get violent to anyone they feel might disagree with their wierd outlook.


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Old Oct 13, 2008, 10:52 am   #27 (permalink) (top)
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I just encountered another who feels that the left is becoming unhinged?
BARONE: The coming liberal thugocracy
I hadn't read the term "thugocracy" before, but it fits, and guess where? With the leftist and Democrat elements in our society.


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Old Oct 13, 2008, 11:01 am   #28 (permalink) (top)
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The leftist in this country are the crazies. I think McCain has much more to worry about. But the articles claim is baseless and nothing more than propaganda against McCain, who is very honorable. At a rally he say to boos, in my opinion eroneously and stupidly stated, that you have nothing to fear from an Obama Presidency. That Obama is a decent person. This was in response to a Bill Ayers question. Then he took the mike from a women that started down the socialist level attack on Obama!
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Old Oct 13, 2008, 11:13 am   #29 (permalink) (top)
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Ghook, the extreme left and the extreme right are equally crazy. If you remember, Timmothy McVeigh was an extreme right winger. His actions were politically based. It was a right winger that shot MLK. It was a right winger that shot kennedy. It was a right winger that blew up the church in the documentary "4 little girls". It was a right winger that climbed to the top of a clock tower in Austin Texas and shot students at random.


That said, McCain will not be responsible at all if somebody tries to take Obama's life. McCain has defended him and has never supported the idea that Obama would be dangerous for the country.. he simply says he will be better.. nothing wrong with that.


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Old Oct 13, 2008, 12:32 pm   #30 (permalink) (top)
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Ghook, the extreme left and the extreme right are equally crazy. If you remember, Timmothy McVeigh was an extreme right winger. His actions were politically based. It was a right winger that shot MLK. It was a right winger that shot kennedy. It was a right winger that blew up the church in the documentary "4 little girls". It was a right winger that climbed to the top of a clock tower in Austin Texas and shot students at random.
Very true! The far right and the left are both capable to doing horrible things. However, I think its ignorant to suggest that McCain is trying to instigate assassination attempts in Obama! That is beyond ignorance!

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That said, McCain will not be responsible at all if somebody tries to take Obama's life.
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McCain has defended him and has never supported the idea that Obama would be dangerous for the country.. he simply says he will be better.. nothing wrong with that.
I agree and that is the message I like!
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Old Oct 13, 2008, 05:22 pm   #31 (permalink) (top)
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Here is a real good example of the attacks by leftists on the Palin/McCain ticket.
Yeah, and here's an example of a similar story coming from our local San Diego newspaper, the conservative San Diego Union/Tribune

Friday, October 10, 2008 -- "But what has been most striking about the last 48 hours in the campaign is the increasingly hostile atmosphere at McCain's rallies, where voters furiously booed any mention of Obama and lashed out at the Democrats, Wall Street and the news media."

or from non-partisan Politico -- "Fearing the raw and at times angry emotions of his supporters may damage his campaign, John McCain on Friday urged them to tone down their increasingly personal denunciations of Barack Obama, including one woman who said she had heard that the Democrat was "an Arab." Each time he tried to cool the crowd, he was rewarded with a round of boos."

Or those radicals at The Seattle Times -- "COLUMBUS, Ohio — John McCain on Friday moved to calm rising anger among his supporters at rival Barack Obama, describing him as a "decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States."

McCain was booed after the conciliatory words about his Democratic foe.

The move by McCain at a town-hall meeting in Lakeville, Minn., came after days of rising tensions as the Republican presidential candidate and his campaign repeatedly attacked Obama as a friend of a 1960s radical they call a terrorist."


Yes, no doubt the liberal bloggers are piling on the bandwagon, just as Wingnut bloggers would if the story went the other way. But that doesn't make the story untrue.

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Very true! The far right and the left are both capable to doing horrible things. However, I think its ignorant to suggest that McCain is trying to instigate assassination attempts in Obama! That is beyond ignorance!
Except that's not what anyone's saying, GHook. In fact, I'm defending McCain.

What I am saying is that for a generation, Republican presidential campaigns have chosen to attack not just their opponents positions, but their CHARACTER. Their opponents can't simply be wrong... no, they're "pathological liars" and "cowards" and "unpatriotic".

So now they up against Barack Obama, who already has one strike against him with a percentage of Americans simply by being black, but now, he's worse than a liar... he's an 'America hating racist', a 'terrorist sympathizer', probably because he's secretly 'a Muslim'. That's exactly the picture the conservative punditry and blogosphere has been painting, and if any message were guaranteed to rile up a violent response, that would be it.

On Fox News' Your World, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter repeatedly referred to Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama (IL) as "B. Hussein Obama" -- five times in all, within a span of less than 2 minutes -- once calling him "President Hussein."

To the contrary, GHook, I applauded McCain for have the decency to see and hear where all that is now leading, and to try to calm people down... including Sean Hannity.

... Just yesterday, when asked by Sean Hannity about the Obama-Wright thing, [McCain] defended Obama by saying that "Senator Obama is a decent man who doesn't share the Reverend's views."

I'm not accusing McCain of anything... I'm saying he seems to be the one decent conservative out there who - despite the efforts of his handlers and supporters to attack Obama even more viciously - sees the danger in whipping up the crowd with the right's typical red-meat, politically expedient lies.

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Were you aware of this stuff Sonart when you accused me of being ignorant?
You certainly appear to be ignorant, Xyzer. Are you not aware that Americans have - in fact - assassinated or tried to assassinate many of their most popular leaders??

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