Is the left-wing gearing up to steal the election?

[Daley]

They've got their operatives and surrogates breaking every law on the books to ensure every voter gets his chance- or chances- to vote Democrat.

Alleging fraud, authorities raid voter group
ReviewJournal.com - News - Alleging fraud, authorities raid voter group

Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration
Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration - Yahoo! News

HOW ACORN GOT ME INTO VOTE SCAM
NUTS! - New York Post

Clerks see fraudulent, duplicate forms from group
Bad voter applications found | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press

Obama's supporters really are changing politics- so that their guys get to vote as many times as they want!

[nerdvincent]

All I can se is that we've reached a critical point of the electoral campaign: the losing party starts rumour about cheating and try to link with terrorist/communism/satanist in a last cheezy attempt to keep their part of the country. Representative democracy! Yay!

[Sockem]

Quote by: nerdvincent All I can se is that we've reached a critical point of the electoral campaign: the losing party starts rumour about cheating and try to link with terrorist/communism/satanist in a last cheezy attempt to keep their part of the country. Representative democracy! Yay!

Kinda like the Democrats in the 2004 election?

[nerdvincent]

Quote by: Sockem Kinda like the Democrats in the 2004 election?

Yep. Kinda like every losing party since there is elections. Don't think I'm democrat because I despise the republican party, I'm an independent communist and democrats doesn't score much higher in my esteem.

[barts]

Quote by: Daley They've got their operatives and surrogates breaking every law on the books to ensure every voter gets his chance- or chances- to vote Democrat.

The links you posted are about the alleged actions of one group. Perhaps you're overstating the issue. Moreover, even the stories you linked to don't suggest that ACORN is "breaking every law on the books." Do you have a need to exaggerate and misrepresent the facts?

[Aussie]

Do they even need to 'steal' the election?

Didn't Bush steal his anyway?

[LadiesMan217]

Either way, no matter who is doing it, voter fraud disgusts me in a way that few crimes do. It is despicable to see these radical, fascist groups undermining the democratic process. I'm probably going to vote McCain but I will have no problem supporting Barack Obama as my president as long as he wins fair and square.

[lsbskins1]

I think this is another example of Republicans projecting their own faults onto opponents. THEY will cheat to win, so certainly the other side will. THEY will sell their souls to big money lobbyists, so certainly the other side must. THEY will take away your right to a fair trial, so certainly the other side must hold the Constitution in contempt. It's like the thief who believes everyone else is trying to take what is his...as I said...simply a projection of their own faults onto the opposition.

[LadiesMan217]

Quote by: Isbskins1 I think this is another example of Republicans projecting their own faults onto opponents. THEY will cheat to win, so certainly the other side will. THEY will sell their souls to big money lobbyists, so certainly the other side must. THEY will take away your right to a fair trial, so certainly the other side must hold the Constitution in contempt. It's like the thief who believes everyone else is trying to take what is his...as I said...simply a projection of their own faults onto the opposition.

You must be kidding yourself if you think that the Democrats aren't guilty of the same sins as the Republicans.

[megadeth425]

From the Yahoo article:

Debbie Mesloh, spokeswoman for the Obama campaign in Missouri, said in an e-mailed statement that the campaign supported any investigation of possible fraud.

The ReviewJournal article:

The Obama campaign is not affiliated with nor do we work with ACORN," Kirsten Searer said. "We have our own, separate voter registration campaign."

This is the best you can do? An unaffiliated group under investigation for voter fraud? And this is supposed to say what about Obama? Who are his 'operatives' inside ACORN? Where's some evidence tying this to Obama and his campagin? You're misrepresenting articles that don't support your statements.

[Okieslims]

remember what the right wingers said back in Gore/Bush???

"get over it"

Well... get over it. The election is going to be as fair as it has ever been.

[barts]

For those who are interested in the other side of the ACORN story, please see, "ACORN Rallies Its Troops", which includes a memo from ACORN principals answering the various charges.

[grandpa]

I'm not in favor of political parties rigging presidential elections, but technically the Republicans owe the Democrats at least one.

Grandpa h.

[lsbskins1]

The most telling and important fact in the ACORN memo that gives the proper perspective on this issue...that they are required by law to turn in all registrations, even the ones they know are fraudulent...but they flag them. Hardly the practice of a group who is attempting to subvert the system.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Okieslims remember what the right wingers said back in Gore/Bush??? "get over it" Well... get over it. The election is going to be as fair as it has ever been.

I agee with the get over it! If (maybe when?) Obama wins it will be fair and square!

Also for the Bush stealing from Gore! I am sick of this. I didn't like the Scalia ruling, but the verdict was 7-2 meaning there was a supermajority and some very liberal Gore-loving judges ruled Scalia's way!

[Sonart]

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Quote by: LadiesMan You must be kidding yourself if you think that the Democrats aren't guilty of the same sins as the Republicans.

During the Balkans conflict, the Serbs kept insisting that the Bosnians were just as guilty of committing atrocities. And they were right... sort of.

But the documented facts were that by every standard, the Serbs had committed vastly more atrocities than the Bosnians, Croats or Kosovars.

So it is with conservatives... election after election, they choose to make "character" the focus of their campaigns. Who is the Democrat's equivilent of Lee Atwater or Karl Rove?

In conceding the 1992 election, Dan Quayle said of Bill Clinton and Al Gore, "If they run the country the way they ran their campaign, we're in good hands." They ran on the economy, not 'Bozo and the Ozone Man' or bimbo eruptions or anything else.

Yet for the next eight years Clinton had to endure a non-stop assault on his character, with one fruitless scandal accusation after another. No sooner did the press start to say nothing had come of.... ooops, another accusation.

And yet... Bob Dole... what horrible character assaults were made against him?

Then comes Al Gore, enduring Rove's viral campaign to paint him as a pathological liar... "inventing the Internet", "Love Story", "Love Canal", his sister in the Peace Corps, working on his family farm, etc. etc. etc. etc. Again, what was the equivalent assault by Al Gore on George Bush? Hell, Bush even went over the limit attacking is own partymate, John McCain. Or the Swift boating of John Kerry?

And now it's McCain and Palin both directly tying Barack Obama to Bill Ayers. It's never enough that the Democratic candidate for President is simply wrong on issues. No, they have to be desperately flawed, dangerous, immoral threats to America.

FactCheck.org concludes McCain spot on Obama and Ayers is misleading

"McCain-Palin campaign's attempts to sway voters - in ads and on the stump - with false and misleading statements about the relationship, which was never very close. Obama never "lied" about this, just as he never bragged about it. The foundation they both worked with was hardly "radical." And Ayers is more than a former "terrorist," he's also a well-known figure in the field of education."

Oh yeah, silly me... there was MoveOn.org

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[Daley]

Just revealed, Obama paid ACORN over $800,000. Why would Obama pay such a shady anti-democratic group almost a million dollars? What was Obama's goal in paying this group this amount of money? What did he expect in return? Was it the presidency?

According to Ohio Citizen Action, payments of $590,526.10 were made to Citizens Services Inc (ACORN) for “campaign consulting”. I reviewed all the FEC filings from February until June for Obama for America (Obama’s campaign title) and found payments to CSI/ACORN. In all Obama for America made payments totaling, $832,598.29 ACORN IV: Obama, ACORN, Citizen’s Services Inc: False FEC Filings : NO QUARTER .

In addition it is known that Obama actually worked for ACORN as a lawyer, so he had intimate details on how they conducted their activities and what their organizational goals were. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us...1acorn.html?em

There are several questions to be raised here. What did Obama know and when did he know it?






And you gotta love this one:

'ACORN PAID ME IN CASH & CIGS'
OHIO MAN BRIBED BY ACORN ACTIVISTS TO REGISTER TO VOTE 72 TIMES - New York Post

[lsbskins1]

He knew that ACORN was attempting to insure all citizens were represented in the voting booth, he knew that whenever someone in the organization was found to be participating in wrong-doing ACORN always co-operated in their prosecution and he knew that ACORN is required by law in most states to turn in every application they process, even the ones filled out in the name of Dallas players in Arizona, but that they themselves flag these applications as troublesome.

What do you know? Seems you only are capable of retaining the twisted spin of those who want to limit the number of US citizens who are registered to vote.

[megadeth425]

The corrupt actions of a few people within a group aren't a reflection on either the group itself or people who used to work for it, and unless you can give some kind of proof that not only did ACORN's higher-ups know this was going on and encouraged it, but that Barack Obama was aware of it and encouraged it, you can't tie it to Barack Obama. This is purely speculative.

[xyzer]

The corrupt actions of a few people within a group aren't a reflection on either the group itself or people who used to work for it, and unless you can give some kind of proof that not only did ACORN's higher-ups know this was going on and encouraged it, but that Barack Obama was aware of it and encouraged it, you can't tie it to Barack Obama. This is purely speculative

Good point Megadeath! Trouble is there are several perps and wintnesses who say all sorts of registrations were ginned up by Acorn. One women publicly declared Acorn reps were roaming the streets trying to get people to register several times.State officials admit there were all sorts of registrations that couldn't be confirmed? I realize a registration doesn't necessarily reult in a vote, but shouldn't some action be taken by ACORN to reign in its loose cannons? By the way Obama was once a lawyer for ACORN and pled for looser lending standards.