Well I see that the "excrement" thread has been liquidated.
But I took the trouble of replying to rcne's very recent post on it (
he seemed to consider it a valid thread) so don't see why I shouldn't post it. To wit:
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Quote by: rcne When you enter a frat and go through the initiation or hazing - where is the line or gray area between degrading or torture?
If degrading is torture - then many here are responsible in stating their offense to torture by inflicting it. |
Let's get serious here. When you enter a frat, you're doing so of your own accord.
When you've been captured at gunpoint and are being ill-treated by sinister figures with the power of life and death over you (and they're suggesting heavily that indeed you
won't survive unless you cooperate) -- that's torture.
After all, by definition we're talking about things that are unbearable. If they were bearable, the torturers wouldn't even consider them.