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Old Dec 10, 2005, 01:33 pm   #43 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams
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In your opinion, but I believe modern empire is NOT a case of a powerful state controlling other nations business, but rather one nation having a global sphere of influence and the ability to implement their own goals and interest anywhere at a moments notice. Im surprised its a englishman in this debate, take a look outside and count up the american bases in all those european countries, laugh to yourself and rethink your position. Our empire began before even the revolution, remember America was only 13 states...the other states came from France, England, and Spain all empires, all forced to sell. The rest of the states are flat out conquest from Mexico and Canada(like texas and Ohio Valley/Washington) even hawaii was conquered by american citizens. America became 10000 times larger than your island by conquest and money exchanging hands, that sound like an empire to me.
Point is is you do not need to wait 500 years, just look back 300 and you'll realize that your nation nursed us though it all. WWII just solidified our power, it gave us the launching points we needed to enforce our will globally.
Yes, I can see just how you are enforcing your will upon China and Russia. Or Somalia. Hell, you failed to even bully Germany into agreeing to your war, and you have massive bases there. What kind of empire can't even get it's client states to vocally give it's support?

You are an empire, but governing the most shambolic of empires. Even the Hapsburgs would be embarrased.


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