[CoffeeSaint]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Quote by: CoffeeSaint can anyone give me a reasonable excuse for denying gay marriage rights? Yeah. Majority rule.

That's why they are banned. Why should they be banned? Does the majority have a rationale? Because if not, I would suggest that people should keep discussing this, over and over, until we either find a rational purpose behind the majority's opinion, or we change it. I'm not arguing the legality of the ban; I don't have the energy, and italiangm and underbear do it better, anyway (double entendre intended, thank you). I'm talking about the rightness of it, for lack of a better word. Is it what society should do? Or is this majority rule like the majority's approval of chattel slavery?

Quote by: PatrickHenry Quote by: underbear1 Just as treating gay relationships as less significant than heterosexual ones is legal, and it simply isn't moral Who gets to say what is moral if there are no absolutes?

First, who says there aren't absolutes? Second, any reasonable person may make a case for morality; my case would be that there is no reason to deny legal marriage to homosexual citizens; therefore, to do it is to infringe on their liberty without cause, and that is immoral. Argument?

Quote by: PatrickHenry Quote by: CoffeeSaint simply unfair. Haha! Life ain't fair. Who is gonna make it fair? Would that be a majority of the voters

Since life ain't fair, shouldn't we try to be as fair as possible? Or would you like to go with "Might makes right" as the simplest basis for every rule? The majority of the voters are not being fair if they are doing what I defined as an immoral act above, and the minority must then point this out to the majority, so that they can adjust their ideas accordingly.

You want to argue that preventing gay marriage is fair? Sure; it's just a word to represent an ideal we should try to aspire to. But pointing out that nothing is fair is a useless cliche. All of us are going to die, too, so what does it matter if we have any rights before we die?