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Quote by: Squawker I think you need to do a bit of research into the 1998 invasion of Iraq and the reasons for it. |
Operation Desert Fox? Sure, we bombed the crap out of Iraq for 3 days but we didn't "invade" anything, dood. Only Boy George was dumb enough to pin down American troops in Iraq. Why do you suppose Georgie's daddy never pursued Hussein to Baghdad in '91? Because he knew doing so was an invitation to quagmire.
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Quote by: Squawker I don’t recall anyone suggesting Iraq should be modeled after the US political system. Democracy is an ideological philosophy independent from the structure of the government. It can’t be forced on them, they have to choose it. |
Then either you're not paying attention, Squawker, or you're ignoring the inconvenient. After scaring Americans half to death with tales of WMD and "Mushroom Clouds", Dear Leader launched the invasion of Iraq, only to find none of the avowed WMD or connections to al-Qaeda. Meaning we apparently invaded a sovereign nation that was threatening no one, BY MISTAKE! So he switched to rationale B)... telling America and the world that his grand scheme all along was to establish democracy in Iraq, to plant the first seed of democracy that would spread throughout the mideast.
"The days of oppression from any source are over. Iraq will be democratic." --
George W. Bush, April 23, 2003
Now as it turns out, oddly enough, I agree with you. Democracy
can't be forced on anyone, it has to be chosen. Apparently it was Boy George who didn't understand it.
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Quote by: Squawker McCain is calling “torture” ''cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment'' means the cruel, unusual, and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments |
Number one, yeah, so what? Number two, kinda picking and choosing aren't you...
From the McCain Amendment...
(a) IN GENERAL.--No person in the custody or under the effective control of the Department of Defense or under detention in a Department of Defense facility shall be subject to any treatment or technique of interrogation not authorized by and listed in the United States Army Field Manual on Intelligence Interrogation.
(d) CRUEL, INHUMAN, OR DEGRADING TREATMENT OR PUNISHMENT DEFINED.--In this section, the term ''cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment'' means the cruel, unusual, and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, as defined in the United States Reservations, Declarations and Understandings to the United Nations Convention Against Torture and Other Forms of Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment done at New York, December 10, 1984. Quote:
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Quote by: Squawker I don’t agree that foreign enemy combatants should have the same rights bestowed on US citizens. Making that statement doesn’t mean I condone torture. |
Never the less, that's what Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld would condone. And either people have the same human rights that we do or we're lying hypocrites when we preach about human rights.
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