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Old Oct 9, 2005, 10:14 pm   #20 (permalink) (top)
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Problem this time around is we can not demonize the Iraqi people. They were never our declared enemy. We are suppose to be liberating them. Our government has failed miserably to create an enemy. "Terrorist" won't do, because Israel and ourselves have been the terrorizers. "Shock and Awe" was suppose to terrorize people and make them easy to subdue, and that came after 5 years of sanctions that weakened Iraq. I just do not see any honor in what we have done. And it really hurts knowing there was a strong desire to take out Sadam before 9/11 and that he was not working with Bin Ladin, so our invasion of Iraq was not justified on the given grounds and not international supported.
You are right, we can't demonize ANYONE in this war, so we have taken to branding anyone outside this country who doesn't like us either terrorist or terrorist supporter. It's weak and it's lame and more and more people aren't buying it any more.

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Not to mention no one knows what democracy is anymore and way it has to be defended.
In this context, Democracy is a word, nothing more. It is a grand word that is supposed to make us look like the most benevolent people on the planet. The problem is that ANY government is only supposed to do things in the interest of its own country. Running up a huge debt and wasting the lives of our soldiers to "democratize" a people who never ASKED us to do this is NOT in our nation's self interest. Also (reason #2) to claim we are fighting terrorism that didn't HAVE terrorists under the old regime is astounding. Terrorists have one big thing going for them For one, they wear no uniform. For another thing, they are a lot more MOBILE than any army, and since the country of Iraq isn't going anywhere it stands to reason no terrorist will want to STAY there, especially when the U.S. has an army right there LOOKING for them. I don't care what the administration says, these stories coming from Washington defy all logic and common sense.
It is also quite counterproductive to establish a free, self-governing society in a region that hates our guts. The very essence of self interest is for the Iraqis to tell us to stay the hell AWAY from them just as soon as they get that self-governance because so many of their citizens despise us.

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How can people who don't know what democracy is, get enthusiastic about spreading it to another country, a country where people didn't pay taxes and some ways had a lot more freedom than we do?
Good point. They can't, actually. Look at the political polarization in THIS country! The only real difference between American right and left wingers and the Sunnis and Shiites is our left and right don't shoot each other. We don't completely have it together so it is insane to think we can TEACH a foreign society to enjoy "democracy".
The only conclusion to come to is that there is a very big ulterior motive and the whole "freedom for Iraq" thing is a lie, or this is just a face-saving measure to cover the fact that we were completely unprepared and ill equipped to carry out a war in a country about the size of California.

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How can Disnney make a cartoon about this?
Disney? Maybe Ralph Bakshi could do it justice.
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