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Old Oct 7, 2005, 12:31 am   #85 (permalink) (top)
zynner
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Hey Flip,

I just found out that I'm going to be very busy myself for the next week or two. Maybe longer. Not sure how often I can jump back into this debate, but will keep with it. If you want to start a new thread, that's fine. I'll start here.

I think it is possible to prove that no gods exist, not even the one you've described. Let's work from a more basic building block.

Does god exist?

That is the question, and "god" means the one you accept. So...

Point #1: Reality is everything that exists. Everything that exists is part of reality. Furthermore, there is only one reality, not two or more. And reality is real. There is not one reality for you and another one for me. We might each perceive things differently, we might think about things differently, we might live much different experiences. But "reality" is the same for everyone. Agreed?

Point #2: If god exists, then "he" is part of reality. Even if he exists within a supernatural realm, that supernatural realm is also part of reality. If there is a heaven and hell, that is also a part of reality. Maybe not the natural realm, but part of "everything that exists," which is reality. Agreed?

Point #3: If god exists in reality, then he exists independent of what you or I or anybody else thinks. It cannot be true that he exists for your neighbor but not for you. Each person might be right or wrong in their view of god, but if god really does exist, then he exists as a part of reality and not a figment of someone's imagination. Agreed?

That's enough for now.

~ zynner
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