[zynner]

Quote by: Flip Jackson I am tired of honestly giving answers to what I believe, then being called a moron or all the other demeaning names that come.

That's how atheists are treated, as well.

He is a being with a body.

If he is a physical entity, then he must be located someplace. Where do you think that is?

He will not force anyone to make a certain decision

If I put a gun to your head and tell you to cluck like a chicken, are you doing it of your own free will? I say no. Likewise, a god that "allows" you to do what you want but holds an eternal gun to your head just in case you don't do as he says is not allowing free will. True?

He is honest... He is all loving...He said that if we followed His rules in this life, we would have eternal life...

So, people have "free will" and if they choose something this loving god does not want, then there is eternal hell or just no eternal life? If it were a reward for eternal life, that would be one thing. But if it is eternal hell for not going along, then that is the gun to the head.

Though He loves us all and wants us to be happy

If he is honest, is he honest with himself? If he is loving and wants us all to be happy, then he is either lying to himself (not possible) or not loving (not possible).

How do you explain evil if god is both honest and loving? Because evil -- especially that imposed on people from the outside, such as natural disasters -- makes people unhappy. He should know this. How can he want people to be happy, yet know they are in many cases unhappy?

He knows all that we have done, and all that we will do, because he knows our nature. He knew us before we were here.

Are you speaking of the nature of man or each individual's nature?

Any other questions? If not, I suppose you can do your thing. But I will not continue in this thread if I don't see some more respect. Whether or not you find my beliefs foolish, I haven't condemned any one or any idea. I expect the same in return.

Well, your first post to me wasn't too kosher. But, it's not a big deal.

A few general questions:

Would you say that you have adopted someone else's view of this god or is it something you have figured out for yourself?

If the latter, would you say this is a creation you have made or is this an actual, physical god out there in reality somewhere?

If it is something real, then how did you arrive at that conclusion?

Do you have any evidence for it?

If you do not have any evidence, but you "just know" or "just feel" it is so, then by what standard would you expect me to prove this god does not exist?

Would I be able to prove to you that this god does not exist if I said, "I can just feel that he does not exist. I know it from my gut," would that be acceptable proof to you that I had proven this god does not exist?

If not, then by what standard would you accept my proof? A sound, valid logical argument or something else?

~ zynner