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Old Sep 28, 2005, 12:45 am   #17 (permalink) (top)
Protostar
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You've quoted a bunch of the radical end of the Woman's Movement, and I would agree their implied agenda is extreme. I think the radical portion of nearly every movement, belief system and political party offer only extreme measures and concepts meant more to shock than be taken seriously.
But unless like some here you truly do not like women, you have to admit that some of the desires of women in our society are reasonable, practical and do-able. The extremeists want to dominate, the more numerous women in between the extremes want equality. I just can't in all intellectual honesty admit to seeing any reason women should not be equal to men in all ways in our society. As to abortion and related topics of great concern to women much more than men, I'm in the "Our Bodies, Ourselves" camp. Not a very popular opinion to have these days, but I prefer to trust women to decide their own fates without excessive input from the males.
Men really need to get over this "a baby is an equal creation of the two of us" crap. Men get to do something they enjoy anyway without protection. They give up a few million sperm in the process. And they are done. That's it...have a cigarette...take a shower...check back in 9 months to get the results. Women get to have this "thing" grow inside them for 9 months. I cannot conceive of such a thing. It's actually quite a bizarre event. If any other group of cells were to start growing inside a human, we'd have removed them long before they weighed 9 pounds. Then they get to endure the birthing process. For crying out loud, we ought to give them anything they want just as recognition for what they have to go through to create each of us. Yup, I say let them decide those issues that concern them. Listen to our concerns, but in the end, make up your own minds, girls.

I completely disagree with your take on the abortion issue. Just because the woman carries the child, doesn't give her the right to kill it. It certainly doesn't give her sole ownership over it. Like it or not, half of the child was created by the father and he should have just a much says the mother. I love how you reduce the child to a "thing". I was not a "thing" when I was in my mother's womb. I was a growing human being. You also diminish the role men play as well. You speak as if all men just forget about the woman until she gives birth. That cannot be farther from the truth. There are a good many men who stand by their pregnant women, but they get overshadowed by the losers who leave the women high and dry. Abortion concerns men and women, because the baby was created by a WOMAN and a MAN, not just the woman. So it concerns us just as muc as it does them.


"I distrust those people who know so
well what God wants them to do because
I notice it always coincides with
their own desires."

. . . Susan B. Anthony
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