[Osborn F Enready]

Isbskins said:
I could be misreading his meaning, but it has been my expierence that the people who claim that "charity" from government, "enforced" by taxation is wrong,

I say:
I didn't say that, but I would. It is wrong, and its also another term for "legalized extortion".

Isbskins said:
are really people who believe that poverty is an inescapable circumstance that can not be affected because they believe that most poor people are stupid, lazy or both.

I say:
Not all cases, but certainly some of them. People who have more kids, to earn more money from welfare are a fine example. Famillies that have "generations" who have lived on welfare are another example. People who work at a job just long enough to collect unemployment are a good example, as well as those that collect aid programs while working under the table and not admitting it.

Any person saying ALL poor people are that way because of those reasons though, is pretty ignorant and simplistic.

They don't take into account:
The way the government has sided with corporations, and disenfranchised the common man.
The way corporate rights has superceded citizens rights.
The way inflation has been manipulated to further lower the value of YOUR dollars.
The way the Constitution has been trampled, and left for dead.
The 156 year bi-partisan monopoly on politics.
The way that corporate America pleaded for more educated, skilled workers.
The way that corporate America said that now that it has those skilled workers, it can't afford to pay them.
The way the robots that were supposed to create jobs, took jobs.
The way technology was supposed to be BENEFICIAL to us all, and not just a wireless tether to the office.

Add to that a lack of accountability, bad decision making, democracy run amok, a ridiculous defense budget, deficit spending and bad morals, and you have the U.S. government, circa 2005.

Isbskins said:
"You are forcing me to participate in a useless program, and I resent that and should be able to refuse to allow my tax dollars to fund such a useless endevor. It is not rational, so it must be tyrany."

I say:
You seem to have a reasonable handle on it, so what is the problem? What don't you understand about legalized extortion?