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Old Sep 21, 2005, 02:12 pm   #50 (permalink) (top)
Ken Carman
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You're talking about a ridiculously tiny percentage of cops who are corrupt. The vast majority are hard-working, honest people putting their lives on the line every day for people like you and me. Sorry, but the "this one situation over here proves that all cops everywhere are crooked" is ludicrous.



And in this case, the person was STILL illegally parked in front of the hydrant, in a red zone, out of their vehicle in a clearly marked no-unattended-vehicle area. Now, exactly where you came up with them doing something that they didn't personally see, I don't know.
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Sorry, but the "this one situation over here proves that all cops everywhere are crooked" is ludicrous.
And I said that...where????????? We can disagree about how much corruption there may or may not be, but please don't claim I said something I didn't. It's dishonest. Strawman arguments are just that: something you've set up to kick back down and while claiming I set it up to begin with.

As far as the fire hydrant argument goes, I didn't use it. I do think policemen should be willing to use discretion when giving out such tickets... emergency situations and blocked vision being occasional considerations. But that's up to the officer. I may silently grumble, if struck in such a situation, but the ticket is deserved. I have never parked in front of a hydrant. It's a vile thing to do.

The "doing something they didn't see" is a situation I've run into where, when called upon a scene of an accident, the policeman feels he must issue a ticket to someone. Most policemen will normally say, "I wasn't here so I didn't see it." For instance, in states where by law you have to move the vehicles if it's a minor accident, I've known cops who hand out a ticket to both or one even though they came after the fact and had no way of knowing who did what because the vehicles had been moved. Kind of a damned either way situation: move- ticket. Don't move? Ticket. Relying on interviewing the drivers is a poor substitute: both drivers will almost always tell their side of the story, and any driver that will tell the officer a less skewed version of the incident will most likely be rewarded by being the one ticketed. I just think it's a real bad idea and therefore should be discouraged, but not banned.

BTW, in the state of Tennessee one driver can ticket another by insisting the officer write a ticket, which I think is an even worse idea. If a policeman issues a ticket without seeing the incident, if he or she is a good policeman, they have at least tried to assess what happened in a fair manner. Neither driver should be in a position to demand such fare for obvious reasons. It's like encouraging revenge and tit for tat. It clogs the courts.

The fire hydrant example is different. Obviously you parked there... or you didn't.

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