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Kuldeep · Sep 16, 2005, 05:21 am

[quote=LogicaLunatic]

"How can suffering and [your definition of] God co-exist?"
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Yesterday, on a different thread, I tried to prove mathematically how and why God does not exist as follows:

God does not exist because, Universe is infinitly growing and also reducing as proved scietifically by astromers. Mathematically speaking, it has limits of minus infinity and plus infinity. Therefore, creator of infinity must be also an infinity. Adding of two infinities mean an infinity only. Therefore in the case of infinite universe, no creator is possible. My conclusion is therefore and that too mathematically that there can be no God, but if you want, you may call Universe only as God!!!!!!

Therefore, God loving you, dictating you to do this or that does not exist. As said above what we concieve in the universe and may be even beyond our conception also, is in fact sum total of what we have in hand. We may call it universe, Mr. X or, may be even GOD. Within our intellect, everything around is governed by explanable or not explanable set of laws and reasoning. Take any thing in the universe, may it be planetary motion, life on our planet and its reproduction, our body physiology, social regulations etc. etc. all are run because of some or the other reasoning. It can also be said that everything around us has set of various types of properties and thus events go on and on.

One such property in the living creatures, human in particular is to live, live and live peacefully and be satisfied. Part of this property is due to his mind and this mind is the center of everything good, bad, selfishness, greed, fame, desire, feeling, love, hate and jealousy etc. Every body acts in a way which makes him satisfied and peaceful. All actions good or bad are done to acieve the desirable results. When the desirable results are achieved, the person becomes temporarily peaceful; while unexpected ones make him temporarily sad. Then comes next desire and action & reaction. This way life goes on and on.

Well, coming to free will provided to do good or bad, it must be now clear there is no body in outer space who can dictate you to do evil or not evil. If you are not bounded by religious beliefs, social bindings; you would definitely do anything you want to due to part of your property, which in turn would make you peaceful. If somebody harms you, not fearing getting caught, you would kill him without any problem.

Unfortunately matter is not finished there!!!! For every action, there comes a reaction back in some or the other form. You sow rice, you would get rice and never anythig else. You killed a person, since he troubled you. If this is known by his near one he won't leave you also. Mind is such an instrument having a peculiar property, whether your actions evil or good ones are known or not known to anybody, but these are deep stored in it. You may lie to all, but you can not decieve your own self. All your own actions and their acceptance by you, are bound to have reaction, which you have to bear sooner or later.

Again due to sexual action of parents, child is born. Child grows due to property of system and as per natural law, anything which is born has to die. Obviously child dies after living some years. Before death, logically his many actions have not reacted back. So to bear those balanced reactions, he along with mind's store of balanced actions/reations bound to appear when in some other body frame (Re-incarnation). This is also a natural law. One who is born has to die!!! Similarly who dies has get reborn to share the balance of reactions left unattended due to death in between!!!!

Well to conclude, let me say something about natural disasters. Ecology is well known scientific term, which need not be elaborated. Man through his wisdom has reduced mortality rate alarmingly. Nature has to act to keep over all ecological balance which it efficiently succeeds by intoducing natural calamities, in spite of human intervention. I won't say last to last space mishape was for ecology balance. But yes, whatever good or bad is happening around us to an individual or to masses, is definitely as reactions to actions done in the past. It is pure natural law!!!! Please note, I have confirmed scientifically, there can not be separate God anywhere living in different world. But the property of action and reaction do exist, as it is natural. This way world would go on and on!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Sep 16, 2005, 05:21 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Kuldeep Kuldeep Location: Bhopa, M.P, India Posts: 1,721	[quote=LogicaLunatic] "How can suffering and [your definition of] God co-exist?" [quote] Yesterday, on a different thread, I tried to prove mathematically how and why God does not exist as follows: God does not exist because, Universe is infinitly growing and also reducing as proved scietifically by astromers. Mathematically speaking, it has limits of minus infinity and plus infinity. Therefore, creator of infinity must be also an infinity. Adding of two infinities mean an infinity only. Therefore in the case of infinite universe, no creator is possible. My conclusion is therefore and that too mathematically that there can be no God, but if you want, you may call Universe only as God!!!!!! Therefore, God loving you, dictating you to do this or that does not exist. As said above what we concieve in the universe and may be even beyond our conception also, is in fact sum total of what we have in hand. We may call it universe, Mr. X or, may be even GOD. Within our intellect, everything around is governed by explanable or not explanable set of laws and reasoning. Take any thing in the universe, may it be planetary motion, life on our planet and its reproduction, our body physiology, social regulations etc. etc. all are run because of some or the other reasoning. It can also be said that everything around us has set of various types of properties and thus events go on and on. One such property in the living creatures, human in particular is to live, live and live peacefully and be satisfied. Part of this property is due to his mind and this mind is the center of everything good, bad, selfishness, greed, fame, desire, feeling, love, hate and jealousy etc. Every body acts in a way which makes him satisfied and peaceful. All actions good or bad are done to acieve the desirable results. When the desirable results are achieved, the person becomes temporarily peaceful; while unexpected ones make him temporarily sad. Then comes next desire and action & reaction. This way life goes on and on. Well, coming to free will provided to do good or bad, it must be now clear there is no body in outer space who can dictate you to do evil or not evil. If you are not bounded by religious beliefs, social bindings; you would definitely do anything you want to due to part of your property, which in turn would make you peaceful. If somebody harms you, not fearing getting caught, you would kill him without any problem. Unfortunately matter is not finished there!!!! For every action, there comes a reaction back in some or the other form. You sow rice, you would get rice and never anythig else. You killed a person, since he troubled you. If this is known by his near one he won't leave you also. Mind is such an instrument having a peculiar property, whether your actions evil or good ones are known or not known to anybody, but these are deep stored in it. You may lie to all, but you can not decieve your own self. All your own actions and their acceptance by you, are bound to have reaction, which you have to bear sooner or later. Again due to sexual action of parents, child is born. Child grows due to property of system and as per natural law, anything which is born has to die. Obviously child dies after living some years. Before death, logically his many actions have not reacted back. So to bear those balanced reactions, he along with mind's store of balanced actions/reations bound to appear when in some other body frame (Re-incarnation). This is also a natural law. One who is born has to die!!! Similarly who dies has get reborn to share the balance of reactions left unattended due to death in between!!!! Well to conclude, let me say something about natural disasters. Ecology is well known scientific term, which need not be elaborated. Man through his wisdom has reduced mortality rate alarmingly. Nature has to act to keep over all ecological balance which it efficiently succeeds by intoducing natural calamities, in spite of human intervention. I won't say last to last space mishape was for ecology balance. But yes, whatever good or bad is happening around us to an individual or to masses, is definitely as reactions to actions done in the past. It is pure natural law!!!! Please note, I have confirmed scientifically, there can not be separate God anywhere living in different world. But the property of action and reaction do exist, as it is natural. This way world would go on and on!!!!!! :rolleyes: