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Originally posted by combatrhino@09-18-2003 12:02 AM
"Second, thinking that all of us are capable of defending ourselves w/o a gun is a really lame arguement, most of the population are not males in the prime of their lives that know how to fight. A much greater percentage of criminals are, and only the stupid ones would go after a target that obviously more than he can handle. Even if you did manage to remove all guns they would simply use baseball bats and steel pipe. Seems to me we would have trouble banning those... I consider myself a large male that is able to take care of himself, but I would rather not face a couple of dudes with pipes unless I had a gun. "
you see, the beautiful thing is that even if people revert to new weapons, they will be significantly weaker than guns. you dont have to have a black belt in kungfu to protect yourself. as i stated earlier, there are tons TONS of effective ways both for state police and individuals for that sort of personal protection. if you are that afraid that you are going to get clocked in the face with an Easton, a good shot of mace or effective tazer will be equally effective. your argument turns back to the fact that, if someone is coming at you with a baseball bat, should you be able to put a hollow-point 9mm into their skull? if you get jumped from behind while walking through a park at night, im sure you would want to use your gun. well, in the midst of being strangled or beaten, you expect to pull out your gun and get a good shot off? what i see happening is you flailing your hands around, fireing aimlessly into the air. you see, the basis of the idea that "i'd feel safer with a gun against a group of thugs with bats and steel bars" is that you would actually know they are coming after you or something to that extent. if you are that honed in on your telepathic skills to know you are about to be attacked by a group of men in time enough to pull out your gun, arm it, and get off enough shots to disable all your assailants, then i applaud your Superman-like abilities. does that make sense? i can picture you now... walking down city streets with your handgun cocked and loaded, waving it around in front of you, prepared for those ally-thugs. if you try answer my earlier argument of legality of killing in defense by saying you would shoot them just to disable them, you are pretty wrong as well. if you give a firearm-trained person a gun and let them loose, that scenario may hold true. but if you give a gun to a 22 year old grad student/nurse/waiter/waitress do you think they will have the same skill? most people who own handguns have never even fired a gun before.
maybe i should get myself a gun... to protect from all you scaries who already have guns.... right? |
Nope, cause its black sash in kung fu.
Mace (or any disbaling spray), tazers, batons etc are all also banned in the UK.
As for being skilled, I already said you had to have done a six week course to give you some experience. Perhaps this could be extended to having to be a gun club member?
And Rebel, I live in Middlesbrough, Heroin capital of Europe. (its dirt cheap here, like a big market for all dealers). So this isn't the safest place to live, and at 18 i don't have the money to move. And a lot of people fight for fun around here, because there simply is nothing better to do. I don't personally mind fighting, one on one anyway, but you know that if you ever have the upper hand in a fight the other guys six mates are gonna pounce on you.
Broken window?.... You mean a bad looking neighbourhood reinforces a ghetto mentality, thereby encouraging more crime? Well it seems no-one at my ward council has heard of it, because there are boarded up houses everywhere, graffitti, at least one new burnt out car every morning.