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Quote by: Pooeypants Okay, if you are willing to show something (other than your "I am right and you're wrong) to backup your claims, I can at least look at it and maybe concede. As it stands, it's just your words versus mine and neither of us has a degree in Environmental chemistry.

This is another thing. If you say something that I believe is untrue, I go out and do my own research to find out if you are right or wrong. Is there some reason that you wouldn't do your own research other than that you might not want to learn the truth? My figures come from textbooks which are very rarely to be found in text form on the internet. I trust very little of the information on the internet and as such, rarely link to it even when it agrees with me unless I can verify the source that it comes from. If you want a bibliographical reference to take to your library, I will be happy to provide one.

Quote by: Pooeypants So you have no plausible reason for this. I mean, at least show me some tinpot website which gives a story on this conspiracy.

Hell, I don't need even a tin pot web site. You guys, on threads scattered across the net provide all the evidence that I need. All one need say is that global warming may be real but man is not causing it and as such, we really don't need to do things that will have an effect on our economy or our way of life and the inevetable flood of links begin explaining why we need to curtail this business, or stop that practice, or regulate this or that and if one follows the web sites to the money source, they are almost universally attatched to some group who makes their living on grant money.

Quote by: Pooeypants I don't buy into the politics of fear. For example, the latest product is Terrorism; marketed to such a high degree that no one questions its validity. Getting people to change their fridges is one matter, having their freedom stripped away by some laws as such "Patriot act" is quite another matter.

Maybe you don't buy into it on a conscious level, but go back and read your posts on this thread and on others that are dealing with global warming. You are arguing from a position of fear. You have indicated that you are willing to do, and give up most anything if it will just stop global warming when the facts indicate that in the end, all your sacrifice will have been for naught, because we aren't causing it. You are willing to give up, sacrifice, and regulate people out of work on the mere "hope" that it might in some way curb global warming. You are afraid whether you can admit it or not. You are a victim of the politics of fear. And more than that, you are so afraid, that it seems that you are quite unable, or unwilling, to thoroughly examine the very broad body of scientific evidence that states that global warming is not anthropogenic in nature.

The global warming movement is anti capitalist in nature, and anything that is anticapitalist is about controlling people via fear of one thing or another.

Quote by: Pooeypants Now, don't tell me they have you believing that Al Qaeda the worldwide organisation of terror actually exists, do you?

Al Qaeda is just a name. They are no different than any number of other radical islamist organizations. They have their preachers on the internet, and in video on the news telling them to kill the infidel. I, in no way believe that they (al qaeda) are responsible for radical islam. Islam has always been a violent, agressive religion. They were violent and agressive before muhammud was dead. They don't need a worldwide organization because their srcriptures advocate the subjugation and eradication of the infidel. The infidel is anyone who is not them.

Christians once used the bible to justify burning heritics and witches. Thousands were killed but that all ended hundreds of years ago. Islam is still in the mindset that existed hundreds of years ago. They are still exactly the same agressors that the crusaders were at war with all those hundreds of years ago. Islam still has a medieval mind set and the Muslims who have modernized and reject the fundamentalist brand of Islam are now infidels as well. This would be why there is little public condemnation from the "peaceful" islamists just as there was little opposition in medieval times to the witch hunts and other atrocities that happened in the name of Christianity. Anyone who speaks out becomes himself a heretic.