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tman_ndsu08 · Mar 3, 2004, 05:39 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Where is the society that is using this system and doing well with it? <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

No society has ever been allowed to go without government. Hong Kong (when it was under english rule) and Iceland are 2 examples that are fairly low government. They both do fine.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
I don't know what you mean by "get BACK to the freedoms," since total freedom's NEVER been achieved.

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We've always had the right to these freedoms...but government has never allowed them. I simply want to have them all.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
You don't seem to be getting my point. As a matter of strategy, how does staking out "outside the mainstream" positions advance the cause of freedom? Why advocate positions that sound to most as "utopian," "radical," and "fringey"? Do you reject the notion that such posturing only serves to discredit libertarians (or anarchists)? If so, why? Walk us through advocating, say, zero taxes actually lowers taxes. Or advocating, say, legalizing all drugs liberalizes what free people can imbibe without government intervention?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Advocating doesn't actually do anything. You're thinking of lobbying.

I'm not trying to forcably interject my opinions on people.

Anarchism is about winning a war of ideas. The more people i can convince to join the better. Eventually...if everyone is anarchist then they will just demand that the government be abolished.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
well, if there is no government, there is no police... each individual would be his own police... no law, no justice...
most couldn't handle it... <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

This is not true. There would be private defense agencies and private abritrators/juries.

Mar 3, 2004, 05:39 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Where is the society that is using this system and doing well with it? <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> No society has ever been allowed to go without government. Hong Kong (when it was under english rule) and Iceland are 2 examples that are fairly low government. They both do fine. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by I don't know what you mean by "get BACK to the freedoms," since total freedom's NEVER been achieved. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> We've always had the right to these freedoms...but government has never allowed them. I simply want to have them all. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by You don't seem to be getting my point. As a matter of strategy, how does staking out "outside the mainstream" positions advance the cause of freedom? Why advocate positions that sound to most as "utopian," "radical," and "fringey"? Do you reject the notion that such posturing only serves to discredit libertarians (or anarchists)? If so, why? Walk us through advocating, say, zero taxes actually lowers taxes. Or advocating, say, legalizing all drugs liberalizes what free people can imbibe without government intervention?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Advocating doesn't actually do anything. You're thinking of lobbying. I'm not trying to forcably interject my opinions on people. Anarchism is about winning a war of ideas. The more people i can convince to join the better. Eventually...if everyone is anarchist then they will just demand that the government be abolished. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by well, if there is no government, there is no police... each individual would be his own police... no law, no justice... most couldn't handle it... <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> This is not true. There would be private defense agencies and private abritrators/juries.