[Sonart]

Gorgo, I'm as opposed to this war as anyone and certainly for as long as anyone, but I must tell you that I find your condemnation of the young people in our military as criminals quite offensive and your "if the war is illegal then what else are they but criminals?" logic facile and mean spirited.

Simultaneously, Mr.V's "Anti-War, Anti-Soldier" arguement is a self-serving catch-22. Tell me, Mr.V., did you support Bill Clinton's use of the military? If not, then I'm surprised to find you so Anti-Soldier! That's how it works, right? If you don't give a military operation and the Commander-in-Chief your full-throated support, then you're harming our solders, right?

As I've said before, I supported Desert Storm, I supported our altruistic efforts in Somalia -- and like everyone else learned the limits of military intervention because of it -- I supported our military intervention in the Balkans and I supported our invasion of Afghanistan.

But I cannot and will not support our war in Iraq. It was a bad idea, a Machiavelian geo-political adventure justified by falsehoods this administration too eagerly wanted to be true, executed with criminally incompetent planning from the top, for which we're paying an unacceptable price, and we will continue paying that price for as long as we continue to stay there. The fate of Iraq is whatever it's going to be, whether we leave now or later. And none of this is the fault of our troops... it's entirely the responsibility of LBDubya, Donald Rumsnamara and the rest of the Neo-Cons who thought this was such a clever idea.

Bush is harming our troops for no good reason, Mr.V., so if you support Bush's war, then you support killing our troops indefinitely for no reason.

How's that for infallible Catch-22 logic, Hmmm?
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