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forecg · Mar 1, 2004, 08:56 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mathieu,)
And how do you gain control of it , how , at the beginning, one gain control of something ? <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

You use force to take and produce it from nature. You tell people "This is mine, and if you try to take it from me, I'll hurt you." You and your neighbors don't want to waste all your time fighting, so you recognize their property claims in exchange for their recognizing yours. You develop a system of justice to help enforce these agreements, and you may even form a government to make that arrangement of force more orderly and effective.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Us governement control his land , so it is its property,as a state or as a corporation whatevever, so it have all right on his property , no ? <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

You control your land, unless you're not strong enough to hold on to it, in which case other people will take it from you by force through the government. The government may be more powerful and control more land than you do, but its reach is finite. It doesn't have ALL of the control and it doesn't have ALL of the property rights.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by

So if it want you to pay tax, you must agree as you are on its property, else , you have the choice to leave this property, no ?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

A mugger has territory too. By your logic, you must agree to give a mugger your wallet if you choose to enter his territory because, after all, you chose to enter his territory. What is the difference?

Mar 1, 2004, 08:56 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
forecg Molten Ash Posts: 36	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mathieu,) And how do you gain control of it , how , at the beginning, one gain control of something ? <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> You use force to take and produce it from nature. You tell people "This is mine, and if you try to take it from me, I'll hurt you." You and your neighbors don't want to waste all your time fighting, so you recognize their property claims in exchange for their recognizing yours. You develop a system of justice to help enforce these agreements, and you may even form a government to make that arrangement of force more orderly and effective. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Us governement control his land , so it is its property,as a state or as a corporation whatevever, so it have all right on his property , no ? <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> You control your land, unless you're not strong enough to hold on to it, in which case other people will take it from you by force through the government. The government may be more powerful and control more land than you do, but its reach is finite. It doesn't have ALL of the control and it doesn't have ALL of the property rights. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by So if it want you to pay tax, you must agree as you are on its property, else , you have the choice to leave this property, no ?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> A mugger has territory too. By your logic, you must agree to give a mugger your wallet if you choose to enter his territory because, after all, you chose to enter his territory. What is the difference?