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Father and son; two wars; decade apart; One was right and one was WRONG.

The fact that they were related may be important factor in this. Junior outdoing daddy. Given that senior was never accused of being dumb, then how do you explain junior. It could be ALL that alcohol alone. It kills brain cell. It could be all those wayward 'ladies'. The effects of STD often only show up later. Could explain all that tiredness, 'early-to-beds' and no work. Now don't get upset unless you have better explanations. I've left out the Roving cowboy theory - for now!

You have all seen the evidence. We have discussed how junior walks and talks. We have an expression over here '...if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, then it must be a duck.' Your convinced. Hold on, looks can be deceiving. Rove and dicky may not do ALL his thinking for him. So we need evidence. OK! That will come.

On Wed 17th 10:36 am #57, I posted on Bush gets first look at anti-war protest near ranch . It contained "the most joyful moment in any person's life is the birth of their first born. ...The worst dread of anyone must be the dead of a child. Compound that by what factor in the case of a death in a war that many consider illegal."

Well no parent could have been more chuffed than senior to see his son 'elected' president of the USA. Having been there and knowing his son, he was probably more concern than most as whether junior was up to it. And boy would he have been right to be concerned.

Excepting genocide in Sudan - maybe -, his son may turn out to be THE BIGGEST MASS MURDERER OF THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY and he has three years to go. So the evidence.

First Gulf War. A just war, the pope said so. No large pre-war antiwar demos. UN backing. United non-reluctant allies. Real shock and awe start. Quick sharp war. Only one major atrocity of murder of fleeing troops. No terrorists. No casulties except Brits killed by US.

Gulf two. Pope said unjust war, so not morally justified. Huge pre-war antiwar demos. NO UN backing. Very reluctant allies. 'With us, or agin us' 'Slam dunk'. Flowers. Torture icons forever. Prisons. Gulags. Gitmo. POWs. Crooked trials. Started months before official start. NO WMD. ALL LIES. HUGH casulties. HUGH Iraqi civilian casulties. Rendering. US War criminals. The Pat Tillman lies. US only above Israel on hate list. Downing St Minutes. Madrid bombings. London bombings. No electricity. Little OIL. Oil prices off the radar. Hide from old lady Sheehan. Home Land non-Security. BULLY Bolton in UN. Debt. And a lot lot more. You can argue the details and the emphases but the overall is the same. Junior fucked up. How and why.

He stopped listening to daddy. Dirty tricky dicky had him now. His alcohol addled brain left him vulnerable to grooming by the big boys. The alcohol addled brain made this easy.

When Gulf One stopped, there were many surprised. Why not continue to Bagdad? Finish off Saddam for once and all. It should be obvious that the evidence of Iraq today is the PROOF that senior was RIGHT and junior WAS, IS and WILL BE WRONG, WRONG WRONG. It should be so obvious now that the need for the sophisticated reasoning as to why senior was RIGHT now are not needed. Any the problem was the reason were over the heads of a sizable number that push junior towards destruction. They'll never get it.

Now one more big thing for the neo-cons to take on board. Once senior did not go for Bagdad then, all of Saddam's prior sins CANNOT and SHOULD be used as justification for Gulf Two. This is a deliberate confusion and woolly thinking.

Eliminate the unjustifiable 'Oil for Food' policy, and ask Iraqis would they prefer now to pre-Gulf Two. I'd bet that except for the US stooges raking in the profits, a majority would opt for pre-Gulf Two. I believe that even if that meant Saddam back, there would still be consensus for pre-Gulf Two!

08-12-05 #41 So, how would you stop the War? The Iraqi adventure for cheap oil was turned western economies near belly up. So whatever the intent starting out was, the opposite is now the case. Pre-2004 election there was dollar a gallon making bush un-electable. What are prices now. It should be firing squad and not impeachment that he's facing. Is he known to have told the truth at all. ALL LIES. And he's your president. Is there no shame left in America. You virtually hounded out of office an excellent president that obviously, the US did not deserve. The rest of the world appreciated his worth. Whatever about with ONE female, who wasn't complaining, he did not do a billionth of the harm that georgie caused you and us. If bush was assassinated tomorrow I would not shed one tear, but I'd need first to be sure that Cheney was not then president. Frying pan to fire is nothing to how much worse that it would be. So, I'll be hoping that dick gets his first before that most hated man in the world gets his. I don't expect to be lucky once never mind twice. But just so that I've explained my agenda. Those pair of bollocks can destroy my world. If Iran is attacked by the US or Israel then I believe that it's the end of the American dream. With that end is the end of western trade. The Wall Street Crash will pale. Oil may crash as who will afford it. The beneficiaries will be our numerous eastern 'friends'.

08-13-05, 06:36 pm # 43 A major justification of the war Saddam's connection with 9/11. He MIGHT have genuinely have believed there was a connection at one time. Early evidence was that he was WRONG. He set up Commissions to delay the issue. All eventually stated there was no connection between Saddam and 9/11. For their future promotions ambassadorships etc it was in their interest to find the evidence if there was ANY. NONE. ZERO. I believe that he always knew it was a LIE. He's LYING now and he'll LIE tomorrow. The only alternative is that on TWO occasions you have 'elected' the BIGGEST GOBSHITE in History. Yes there have been Big Gobshites before in history, but not elect by 'all' the people. If he does not know that he's lying then he's brain dead. His handlers must tell him before every briefing "Please, please please don't mention Saddam and 9/11 in the same sentence." Maybe they should try some reverse psychology, but that needs a functioning brain to work. Regan had at least the excuse of old age. Is Bush just dumb?

If I have brought any insight into the war, then it down to the neo-con, who attacked me for saying something positive about senior. The way he jumped on me was like as if I had written a dirty word like Clinton. This over the top reaction gave me the clue as to the weakness of Gulf Two. So maybe out of their scutt--- some good does come.

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