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Old Aug 17, 2005, 03:57 pm   #14 (permalink) (top)
SteveA
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What, are you insane?

We do not have jobs for immigrants, we have jobs for people who come to this country LEGALLY and become US citizens. The fact is, our entire health care system is on the verge of collapse because of all the illegals whose health care is paid for 100% by the American taxpayer. Our jails are bursting at the seams with illegals who are costing us BILLIONS every year. Our welfare system is paying illegals for NOT working and our schools are giving free education to illegal children.

So where, exactly, is this a win-win situation?
Whether someone comes legally or not doesn't mean much in itself. I agree we should screen people entering the country to deter known criminals but other than that it would be nice to just have an open border.

I agree that's impossible though, under the current system. We should fix the underlyng problems we've created via. government that make immigration a problem and then we can more or less open the border.

Also, regarding jobs, people create jobs as well as consume them. Admittedly a recent immigrant isn't likely to be bringing a company with them but if an immigrant is working and earning an income that they buy products with, then that immigrant is creating jobs as well by producing products or services and paying others through his purchases.

I do agree that many immigrants come without a valuable skill set and often take a low paying position (though that's not always the case). This doesn't help the overall state of things because the services they're providing aren't very valuable, and the infrastructure and social services effectively allows someone to live by only producing a small fraction of the resources consumed (for example, when an immigrant comes, they don't bring a house and some segment of a road with them, but need to help pay for these costs).

A side comment too: It's not only illegal immigrants that have this effect. It can be native born citizens as well. The problem isn't really over immigration. People could immigrate from one state to another yet we don't consider that to be a problem, because it's not. The issue that's a problem for immigration and citizens in that our social services promote apathy and bias the costs of things so people don't see the value of the products they consume.

Fix the social system first. Then open the borders, and it'll be much easier to screen for criminal elements trying to enter the country once much of the flow has ebbed.

Immigration isn't the problem, whether legal or not, it's how we deal with it.


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