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by: livvie He was killed by the taliban you fool. Stop trying to cause a debate where there's nothing to debate about. RickSp] You are joking right? Are you really that clueless? Tillman was killed by American "friendly fire" then the Defense Department lied about it. Killed by the taliban? And you are calling people - fool. Wow.

I'm sorely tempted to ignore my ban threat and tell livie what I really think of him. I was going to call him an ungrateful cur hardly worthy of citizenship, but decided he was not worth it.

I know using argument and logic is totally lost on him as I'm already into my second sentence and that's further than his up to. For every normal person there is no point as the rest of this does not need saying.

Mocking someones death would not be tolerated in any society civilised or not. This is about as low as it gets. What Pat Tillman gave up to join the army puts him in a league above most selfish people today. The days of "Ask not what you can do for your country" fall on deaf ears in most countries nowadays. So for me, he was a man apart, alive or dead. I would not recommend joining anyone's army, but when he gave up on the 'American Dream', I admired him.

What ironic luck then that he was killed. To be killed my his own side for the sake of a busted Humvee is beyond ironic. It's a tragedy for all and not just his family. There's not much that I believe in outside of my personal experiences. It's hard to justify LUCK, but on the experience of the US army with Pat Tillman, if I was a betting man I'd bet against the US on it's passed luck. I've said it before, maybe they just pray harder.

Do many more in the US believe like this nut. (It's OK, he hasn't read this far.) On at least two posting I have posted details of an excellent cover story by the WP.

rh #100 Please, in memory of Pat Tillman, inform yourself of his last days Barrage of Bullets Drowned Out Cries of Comrades and then you will be in a position to speak. If "friendly fire" just happens and you are accepting of it so readily, then there will be MORE not less cases. And given the army's record for telling LIES, maybe there are far more incidents of this than we know. - PH 05-23-05, 06:14 pm . RH - 08-13-05, 07:44 pm

There's not a lot to be very proud of in the US these days. Jumping on the grave of an exceptional man is as low as it goes. I'll ask again questions not answered.

1. If Senator McCain wasn't on the case would we ever have learnt the details.
2. If the same was happening now in Iraq, would we know.
3. Was there ever any more on the 'flagging' - if that's the word that I remember from Vietnam - where two offices were murdered by an NCO recently.
4. Most important. Did the officer responsible for Pat's death, get away with it?
5. Has Pat Tillman been wiped from the memory as an embarrassment to the mighty C-in-C georgie porgy. The logic being that a dead American soldier is no soldier.

SCUTTERING. The practice of splattering of crap, often containing brain matter, to cover as wide an area as possible. Does this fit anyone of recent arrival, who CONFUSES QUANTITY in the number of postings and QUALITY.